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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Mickey Mouse. Like what is even the appeal? Is there anyone who actually likes Mickey Mouse?

That fucking mouse is absolutely everywhere but it's the most boring nonsense character to ever exist.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

Exactly. Donald Duck is an infinitely superior character.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I mean... He was literally the first animated character ever to have synced audio with the visuals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

So they had 100 years to develop the character and this is what we got?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Like most really early animated characters, Mickey Mouse was a lot of things over a long period of time. And as far as American animation goes, Mickey Mouse has been a staple for the childhood of literally every generation. Younger millennials and zoomers grew up on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Children in decades prior watched Mickey be a musketeer in one short and starving due to poverty in the next.

So while the rough edges of the character have been sanded down over time, he's still very much a plucky, brave, kind, and helpful protagonist in most of the media he's in.

Which to your average adult viewer means... he's a bland and uninteresting character.

That said, he's still an icon of animation as a whole, and most things with Mickey in them are doing some new and novel something (design, production pipeline, whatever) that pushes the whole industry forward in some way.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm curious, I feel like I haven't seen mickey in anything flagship Disney in an extremely long time, what's his latest work?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

Rich Evans once said of Who Framed Roger Rabbit: "Bugs Bunny gave Eddie Valiant the spare tire (instead of a spare parachute) because Mickey Mouse would never do anything funny."

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Harry fucking potter. What an absolute bag of sand.

[–] BlowMe 3 points 3 days ago

Okay Malfoy

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I couldn't care less about Superman.

[–] CheeseNoodle 4 points 3 days ago

Superman has had its good moments like the world made of cardboard scene. Nowadays I think saitama from one punch man makes for a better all powerful hero as the narrative really focuses more on the consiquences of that power on himself and the people around him rather than just having him save the day over and over.

[–] Postmortal_Pop 23 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Superman is such a single note character that the good things that came out of his existence can all be counted on one hand. I get that he was foundational to the concept of superheros, but it shows in this day and age.

I will say the monologue in justice league while he's slapping around Darkside is immaculate though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The best thing to come from Superman is Lex Luther. No villain can go toe to toe with Supes, except maybe Doomsday, but does he really count as a villain? Mindless kill machine. Anyway, Lex has to beat Superman who can punch him into mist, or roast him by looking at him too hard, or literally blow him to the moon. How do you write a villain to counter that? By making them cunning and lovable to the public so that if Superman does any of those things, the public turns against him. Superman’s weakness isn’t only kryptonite, he craves social acceptance, if he didn’t he would just punch his way into being in charge and dare anyone to stop him. Lex gets how razor thin that edge is and takes full advantage.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Eh, Batman is exactly as single-note as Superman is.

Superman requires very good writing from someone who understands what to do with the character.

I'm pretty excited to see what Gunn does with him, tbh.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Harry Potter. People often talk about a "golden age" of JK Rowling, and I think to myself, what golden age? Harry Potter, both the character and the books, are written like a hyperinflated Cinderella, complete with an attempt at discriminatory apologetics that would make CS Lewis say "you okay bro?"

Also, Luke Skywalker. People hate Anakin for being whiny and weak and Rey for being a Mary Sue, but Luke is both and nobody complains.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Luke had to actually train and failed when he fought his main, more experienced villain for the first time. Then he went back and did more training off screen. I think that makes him less a Mary Sue. He's definitely whiny, though.

[–] Cryophilia 34 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Only in the beginning. Part of the excellence of the OT was seeing him grow from whiny kid to self-confident man.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He's whiny in just barely enough lines to establish that he's still a bit naive, but I would not consider him an overall whiny character, even in the vacuum of episode 4, he is not constantly bitching and dodging his responsibility once its importance is established.

Its probably the best way they could've utilized whininess

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[–] jacksilver 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Additionally, and probably most importantly, Luke actually isn't strong enough to defeat the emperor at the end. He losses. However, he wins over his father and that's what turns the tide.

Similarly, while Anikan has some mary sue moments, he has a far share of losses (chase for Padme's would be assassin, count doku fight, Obi-Wan fight, etc.)

I think the only time Rey "losses" a battle is in force awakens when she gets captured (but even after being captured she overpowers Ben almost immediately).

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[–] Pumafred9 26 points 5 days ago

Yeah, but he used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

As much as I enjoy that franchise I agree with you. For years I kept hearing 'it's better in the books', I remember specifically people saying that about the organization that helps dobbie and his people. Fuggin, I read the books as an adult and it's barely expanded on it at all, they just have more scenes about the organization but it isn't ever truly relevant beyond explaining why Hermione does what she does as an adult.

It's a charming little story that matured with readers and got a decent adaptation that led it to explode. Lots of luck to get to where it's at.

I would love to see a wandering inn adaptation instead.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago

so many. jesus, allah, jehova, it goes on and on.

[–] RebekahWSD 38 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Astarion from BG3. I can understand why people like him. I personally do not and generally never used him in the party because I didn't want to hear him be annoyed yet again I was helping people.

[–] TheFeatureCreature 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Astarion is particularly annoying in Act 1 for some reason, with 99% of his reactions just being him hating anything that is remotely positive. His reactions (and character in general) in the following acts is a lot more fleshed out and varied.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

His guard is up for the first act because he is traveling with new people.the change is due to warming up to the characters.

Shadowheart does this in the first act too, and combined they are really annoying as a combo but I found both to be fine individually.

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[–] ivanafterall 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I've been watching some Friends here and there (a bit late to the game) and I absolutely cannot stand Rachel.

[–] owenfromcanada 28 points 5 days ago

Ross is the one that drives me insane. Literally every other person demonstrates some sort of growth over the 10 years the show takes place, but Ross is pretty much exactly the same.

For me, Rachel starts out annoying but gets more likeable through the seasons.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Jim from the US version of The Office.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

I think he's liked more because he's relatable, rather than he's an interesting character. Personally, I think his pranks on Dwight are amusing, but everything else about him is nothing special.

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[–] Sludgehammer 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Sephiroth. His look is basically the most generic bishy anime character you can make, his entire backstory can be boiled down to "mommy issues" and his motivations are the standard villain "destroy world/become god". He's just so bland.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but he got a bitchin soundtrack

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[–] MargotRobbie 26 points 5 days ago

The Joker.

I really don't get the obsession with overusing the Joker when most of Barman's other rogue gallery members are much more interesting. The worst of it is during "The Batman Who Laughs", because now you have both the regular Joker and "what if Batman became Joker" running around. And then, as if it couldn't get any more ridiculous,

spoilerThe Batman who Laughs gets Dr. Manhattan's powers in a groan-worthy way which is like, not how Dr. Manhattan works at all just so they can fit more Joker into the story.


And I think most people will agree by now that Harley Quinn is a lot better of a character after she's done being Joker's sidekick.

[–] dual_sport_dork 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

The Doctor.

We get it. You wish a dashing eccentric gentleman with an English accent will appear out of the blue and whisk you away from your situation to a life of adventure. But it's not going to happen, sweetheart.

It doesn't help that Doctor Who has always been crap sci-fi, but gets a free ride due to having such a long history stretching back to before anyone knew any better. The series as a whole is one of those I find also dragged down by a subsection of rabid insufferable fans, at least the modern incarnations, right up there with Rick and Morty and Supernatural. (I see I already kicked the beehive.)

[–] CheeseNoodle 5 points 3 days ago

Dr Who has had some genuinely good episodes and plot lines, nowadays though it does mostly seem to be re-hashing its own old plot lines but in a shorter and less well executed form or just trying to cram as many current issues into an episode as possible. Its basically suffering the same fate as the simpsons.

[–] Ashiette 13 points 5 days ago

I think the sci-fi is not crap. But it is not appealing to everyone. DW remains a children's show, always has been. It should be viewed as such, just like Star Wars is.

TBH, I still watch it, even though it peaked seasons 4 - 6, then went down and down and down. I think nostalgia has got a hold of me because the new season wouldn't wouldn't get hooked to it if I were my first time watching it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] BlowMe 3 points 3 days ago

Edward Kenway from Assassin's Creed 4. The whole game actually is extremely overrated. I had a hard time finishing that game. I rather play 3 or even Unity.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

John Wick

Many others too but I hardly watch any movies or tv series so no one else comes to mind

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[–] Pumafred9 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)
[–] Cryophilia 14 points 5 days ago (7 children)

First, imagine you're a horny 13 year old girl. Then you'll get the appeal.

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[–] Illuminostro 8 points 4 days ago

John Constantine. The snarky smartass that has the most plot armor of any character.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah....I want to like him and he's got more character development than any other, but yeah. So your high school crush didn't "get" your personality disorder and then slipped away. That's what happens in high school. But then he goes back to teach AND LIVE at his old high school and never moves on? Snape my man...marry Denise from your gym and get over it. Get a job somewhere else, join a pickleball league or somethin.

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