submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave to c/politics

At least one of Trump's four criminal trials is set to begin while the others are now in jeopardy

After five decades of playing fast and loose with the laws of New York, and a plenary of fraud, deception and corruption, legal appeasement seems to be declining and legal accountability seems to be ramping up as the proverbial hens are finally returning home to roost for the former Houdini of white-collar crime, Donald J. Trump.

First, there was the civil judgment of 5 million dollars awarded to the writer E. Jean Carroll by a federal jury of Trump’s peers. Then there was a second judgment of $83.3 million in damages awarded to Carroll by another jury of Trump’s peers for the additional defamatory statements that he continued to make after the first judgment was rendered for denying that he had sexually assaulted Carroll. And then there was the New York civil fraud decision by Judge Arthur Engoron holding Trump and his sons, Eric and Don, Jr. financially liable to the tune of more than $350 million underscoring “the extent of Trump and the Trump Organization’s white-collar malfeasance.” Last week, Judge Engoron turned down a request by Trump’s lawyers to postpone payment.

However, in the case of the historic $454 million judgment, “a figure that is growing by more than $100,000 in interest every day,” Trump sought a stay yesterday in opposition to New York law that requires first forking over the entire amount in damages or putting up a cash bond for the same known in the New York civil court system as an “undertaking.”

Trump also had previously done the same thing with the $83.3 million ruling by a jury in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit. Neither of these appeals should go anywhere and the clock is still ticking in each case and soon time will be up before Carroll’s attorneys and then the New York attorney general Letitia James can start seizing the former president’s assets and property.

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[-] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago

Best. At just the best time.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

Best would have been 2016 so he didn't even get his first term.

But I will accept today as the best poasible day since we don't have time machines.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

This is there I'm at

[-] grue 24 points 3 months ago

No, the best time would've been a decade or so ago.

[-] themeatbridge 22 points 3 months ago

The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The next best time is right now.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago
[-] themeatbridge 7 points 3 months ago

No, that was a bad time. It was really cloudy, and there were just, like, a lot of things going on...

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Stop Fighting! Every time is the best time for Drumpf to face the consequences of his actions

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Too many butterfly effect questions for me there.

[-] PorradaVFR 62 points 3 months ago

In principle, absolutely. But in practice he's yet to actually incur consequences. I'm beyond ready to see them applied.

[-] rdyoung 14 points 3 months ago

At this point I'm almost okay with him not serving any real time so long as he doesn't get be president again and they keep running down everything that has and will come up from investigating him until most of the right is either locked up or barred from politics.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Nah, fuck that. I want that fucker to suffer real consequences for his actions.

[-] rdyoung 7 points 3 months ago

I mean personally. He is not going to do any real time, if any time behind bars, period. The sooner we get ourselves okay with that, the better.

I'm okay with knowing that the orange anal douche is the downfall of the people who worshipped him to their own detriment.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'll be watching with glee when more on the right are brought up on charges and/or permanently barred from politics and whatever their original field was before running for office.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Personally I want this fucker's family to suffer - not like jailing random family members but take away enough of this fuck's I'll begotten gains to make Eric, Don Jr. and Ivanka slum it with the rest of us plebs.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Watching all the bullshit surrounding this guy for the past decade has been like watching that gif of the box truck speeding towards the post. If we just keep watching, surely it's going to impact, right?

[-] Sanctus 48 points 3 months ago

We all need to vote like he can and will win. Vote like you're the last pale blue dot in a sea of MAGA.

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[-] Dkarma 36 points 3 months ago

Imagine trump coming to you for a bond.

The most obviously compromised dude who will fuck over anyone to save his own skin.

Dude is the definition of unbondable but you can fool some of the people all of the time so... 🤷‍♂️

[-] partial_accumen 29 points 3 months ago

I can think of several nations that would happily fork over half a billion dollars to have that kind of hold over a possible future sitting President of the United States. None of that is good for the USA though.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Trump's problem now is that:

  1. this is all very public

  2. that kind of money is going to leave a trail and is being watched - it's not his typical moving the shell game he is used to

[-] partial_accumen 7 points 3 months ago

Besides being 77 years old. He's in the endgame anyway. If he doesn't get re-elected he'll be demolished by the consequences of his prior crimes. If he does get into office, his supporters will happily look the other way when he starts selling our nation and its citizens to the highest foreign and domestic power brokers.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Bonus: If he doesn't get reelected the entire Republican party will collapse. It has expelled anyone who isn't vehemently and publicly pro-Trump. Their entire fundraising apparatus relies on Trump. Their entire base is pro-Trump at this point as well and those people basically hate every other party leader except maybe Mitch McConnell who will keel over any moment now (though that may have already happened 😁).

They haven't had much of a party platform since the 1980s and their last staple--overturning Roe v Wade--has been achieved. They have no legislative priorities other than, "elect Trump" or "pardon Trump". The only thing remaining that they stand for is dismantling government (aka "tax reduction", ending oversight of all kinds, and literally calling for the end of democracy) which isn't popular enough to survive without Trump.

Basically, with Trump they can do whatever TF they want as long as the orange criminal is fed. Without Trump they have to actually sell their BS and none of it is popular... Even among the Republican base.

[-] joekar1990 2 points 3 months ago

Jared already banked $2b from the saudis so….there’s the price starting point

[-] HeyJoe 25 points 3 months ago

Are we really going to see articles like this multiple times a day with the exact same comments in them for the next 9 months?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

If it keeps it top of mind so people don't forget I'm fine with it.

[-] ikidd 8 points 3 months ago

Only until he puts a shotgun in his mouth, with luck.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I've been hearing about how much trouble trump was gonna be in for doing [insert your choice of obvious, egregious crime here] for literally decades. At this point "Trump's in BIG trouble this time" is indistinguishable from "Trump's gonna get away with it again"

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

A better moment for this to have happened would've been 2016 so this isn't quite "the worst moment" but dear God I hope this fuck is disqualified from holding office.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

If he wins, he doesn't have to pay. We are witnessing a massive gamble. Possibly the biggest gamble in history.

[-] xantoxis 5 points 3 months ago

This really isn't true, they will start seizing assets well before the election. And he would still need to get laws passed that protect him, after the election. Yes, they want to annihilate democracy but let's don't pretend they can automatically and immediately do that.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Seems like it happens pretty frequently. It is how the Roman Republic failed when Caesar decided that crossing the Rubicon with a loyal veteran army was better than chains.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

The fact that it is even a possibility with a chance of success says more about the general collective American mentality than anything about Trump.

This isn't about one illegitimate politician

It's about the general mental state of a nation.

[-] CharlesDarwin 17 points 3 months ago

Well, his worst moment politically. For sane Americans, it's perfect.

And also...is it really catching up to him?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I'm sure the timing was intentional, just like his impeachments.

Thank God there's still a bit of intelligence left in the government.

[-] Zerlyna 6 points 3 months ago

Is there though? ;(

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Thank God there’s still a bit of intelligence left in the government.

[Citation Needed]

Nothing has fucking happened to him in the slightest.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

People said conceptually the same thing before he was elected the first time. The pictures of him besides Epstein, the accusations including one by a then-14-year-old girl that he raped her (she was in that photo too, or or at least others at the same party by Epstein), his own rather damning words seeming to support such actions, the fact that he rarely pays his workers, ALL the MANY court cases... we've seen ALL of this before.

And this time is different. The last time, they voted more for not-Hillary, but this time, many people want to vote specifically for him!? Don't underestimate the number of those who voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary but who then flipped to vote for Trump in the general election. Will this repeat now, for people upset at Biden's treatment of Israel, or how bad the economy is right now (despite the laws that Republicans passed making it this way, plus genocidally inept handling of the pandemic scenario)? Yes, plus also those who would vote Republican regardless, plus ALSO those who would have voted for Trump personally even if he had run as an independent.

So what if they start taking his properties away? That would simply drive him to spend MORE rather than less time on the campaign trail?

I strongly question this conclusion, especially from a site that just wants people to click so they'll say whatever they can to get that to happen. Best for what purpose - him losing the upcoming election? Well, just like the last time, we'll see.

[-] xantoxis 5 points 3 months ago




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