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submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave to c/politics

House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan is desperately trying to spin the damning news on ex–FBI informant Alexander Smirnov.

Representative Jim Jordan seems to be struggling with the realization that Republicans’ impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden appears to be founded on a bed of lies peddled by the Russian government.

On Wednesday, the Ohio Republican got caught up in his own words, insisting that the inquiry still had merit, despite the Justice Department indictment against its primary witness, Alexander Smirnov.

“You said the 1023 is the most corroborating piece of information you have,” CNN’s Manu Raju prompted the Freedom Caucus politician on Wednesday, referring to the FBI’s FD-1023 form that documents Smirnov’s claims, which he is now accused of completely making up. In December, Jordan claimed the 1023 form constituted the “key” impeachable offense.

“It corroborates but it doesn’t change the fundamental facts,” Jordan responded, trying to flip the script and maintain that Biden was still involved in his son’s business dealings during his vice presidency.

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[-] FlyingSquid 155 points 3 months ago

Representative Jim Jordan seems to be struggling with the realization that Republicans’ impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden appears to be founded on a bed of lies peddled by the Russian government.

Implying he didn't already know...

[-] [email protected] 95 points 3 months ago

He's struggling with other people realizing

[-] FuglyDuck 35 points 3 months ago

I give it fifty-fifty odds he's just that incompetent.

I'm not sure which is worse, to be honest.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

He just ignores facts that don’t agree with the conclusions he’s already made. His time ignoring the criminal sexual abuse in his previous career has paid dividends.

[-] FuglyDuck 7 points 3 months ago

yup. there's two alternatives: he knew it was bullshit, and his ignorance was willful, or he didn't know and he's fucking incompetent.

it comes down to: did he do due diligence on the whistleblower to check his sources credibility? it fits his narrative, so it's running, but competent assholes do damage control preemptively.

[-] nickhammes 11 points 3 months ago

Either he knew, incompetently didn't know, or didn't care. (Or some combination of these.) I'm not sure which is worst for him.

[-] CharlesDarwin 4 points 3 months ago

These are the same lying liars that go on about how cons are being "censored" and "cancelled" on social media, and that they have to repeal Section 230 because of their feels, in spite of all evidence to the contrary about how FB, Twitter, Youtube, actually help to promote right wing extremism instead of bothering to police hate speech meaningfully.

[-] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

Republicans love manufacturing a narrative/case based on one person's (falsified) account. They did it with Saddam's WMDs, they did it with their false 2020 election claims, (the 'kraken,') and they're doing it with this Hunter Biden BS.

[-] Wrench 39 points 3 months ago

And the Clinton emails, meanwhile they don't give a shit about their God deliberately taking and hiding boxes of classified secrets to sell off to foreign powers.

[-] thallamabond 14 points 3 months ago

Don't forget the other Clinton.

The Whitewater investigation, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

They dragged everyone and everything into this crap, until finally Bill lied about getting head and they impeached him for it

[-] JeeBaiChow 12 points 3 months ago

Projection. I guaran-fucking-tee they are doing the same things they accuse the Dems of doing.

[-] FenrirIII 9 points 3 months ago

Don't forget their 'buttery males' debacle

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[-] jordanlund 51 points 3 months ago

“You said the 1023 is the most corroborating piece of information you have,”

“It corroborates but it doesn’t change the fundamental facts,”

No, that's NOT what an FD-1023 does...

https://socxfbi.org/SFSA/SFSA/Featured-Articles/Message-from-the-FBI-on-the-FD-1023-Request-from-Congress.aspx

"the FD-1023 is the form our special agents use to record raw, unverified reporting from confidential human sources (CHSs). FD-1023s merely document that information; they do not reflect the conclusions of investigators based on a fuller context or understanding. Recording this information does not validate it, establish its credibility, or weigh it against other information known or developed by the FBI in our investigations."

It's the federal form equivalent of "Some... body once told me..."

[-] marx2k 42 points 3 months ago

Jim Jordan Spirals When Asked About Losing His Star Biden witness

Article is literally a single sentence from Jordan.

Thanks for wasting my time

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

"marx2k SLAMS article"

Am I doing this right?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

No.

"Find out why there is a MASSIVE backlash about this article"

[-] BackOnMyBS 5 points 3 months ago

Lemmy Users Decry Hyperbolic News Article Titles in New Wave of Anti-Media Action

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

"Readers hate this one article!!!"

[-] marx2k 3 points 3 months ago

I pounced, actually

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

This article is trash, but necessarily for the reason you stated: there's a video that shows when jim jordan was asked the question. I wouldn't say he fumbles at all, he lists several reasons why the impeachment should continue. Whether or not their true and a sufficient reason to go along with the impeachment is another question, but I don't think I'd describe him as fumbling.

[-] lennybird 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The amount of connections Republicans have to Russia are just too many.

It's been pretty obvious for a while but now it's just getting ridiculous. This Russian agent literally reported to the "highest level" of Russian government...

Everyone owes it to Democracy to listen to Maddow's Ultra podcast covering Hitler's infiltration of the US congress during the 1930s. The parallels to today are stark.

[-] jordanlund 10 points 3 months ago
[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Got a link to that podcast?

[-] lennybird 6 points 3 months ago

I think you can listen to it here: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra

I listened to it on Audible if you have that.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Audible's interface is absolutely awful for podcasts.

On the other hand, I think that about every podcast app.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Hey this is the guy that intentionally obscured sexual assault reports and shielded his coworkers from being investigated for rape, right?

[-] ArtVandelay 4 points 3 months ago

Good ol Gym Jordan

[-] Beefytootz 29 points 3 months ago

Are we just going to gloss over the fact that the FBI informant accused of working with the Russians is named Alexander Smirnov?? Like the vodka? I get that this is unfortunately real life, but the script writers are getting lazy

[-] ikidd 13 points 3 months ago

No, it's Smirnov, like the comedian.

[-] Late2TheParty 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you for reminding me of him! I'm gonna go watch something with him in it.

[-] RagingSnarkasm 5 points 3 months ago

In Soviet Russia, Smirnoff watches YOU!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

He was just on my favourite podcast as a contestant! It's a podcast where famous people geek out over things outside their field of work. It's very refreshing and Yakov was an amazing contestant.

https://maximumfun.org/episodes/go-fact-yourself/ep-139-yakov-smirnoff-salamishah-tillet/

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[-] jordanlund 3 points 3 months ago

In Soviet Russia vodka impeaches you!

[-] jaybone 2 points 3 months ago

In Soviet Russia, Peaches pees on you.

[-] Passerby6497 22 points 3 months ago

Jordan claimed the 1023 form constituted the “key” impeachable offense.

“It corroborates but it doesn’t change the fundamental facts,” Jordan responded, trying to flip the script and maintain that Biden was still involved in his son’s business dealings during his vice presidency.

Hmmmmm, what ever is a FD-1023?

An FD-1023 (CHS Reporting Document) is the form FBI agents use to record raw, unverified reporting from confidential human sources. FD-1023s merely document that information; they do not reflect the conclusions of investigators based on a fuller context or understanding. Recording this information does not validate it, establish its credibility, or weigh it against other information known or developed by the FBI in our investigations.

Huh, looks like "key" impeachable offense is worthless, unverified information. Who could have ever seen this coming?

[-] Rapidcreek 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Gotta be my favorite of the day....

RAJU: You said the 1023 [which included the false claims] is the most corroborating piece of information.

JORDAN: It corroborates, but it doesn’t change those fundamental facts.

RAJU: But it’s not true.

See, in GOP politics, truth is optional.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 15 points 3 months ago

The devious Russian plan to make Hunter Biden look like a 1980’s beer commercial character. Americans famously hate it when you snap your fingers and the Swedish bikini team shows up and your dog is wearing sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 3 points 3 months ago
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[-] JeeBaiChow 13 points 3 months ago

They should hold them accountsble, like falsely accusing someone of sexual assault.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Well spiraling is basically a wrestling move...

[-] Cyberflunk 7 points 3 months ago

Fuck him and every Republican

[-] profdc9 3 points 3 months ago

They're going to impeach Biden, and the Senate will not convict. The Republicans get something to rile up their base, because governing is now theater.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I used to think that was true. I think a number of Rep. Congress may not be falling in line anymore. Trump is starting to be recognized as weak even while complaining Biden is older. The Rep. Party is starting to smell the blood in the water. Republican voters are starting to realize Trump isn't what is best, and he could be a danger whether or not they are wanting to admit he is guilty.

Heard a Republican say the other day he thinks Russia has something on Trump and he thinks Ukraine may have something on Biden as well..
Standard both sides.. but the admitting that Trump isn't innocent is the cardboard cut that let 3 drops of blood in the water.

We have heard multiple GOP members speak down on his actions, some will fall back in line... I'm just hoping there are some sharks left and they haven't all been hunted for their fins

[-] jaybone 3 points 3 months ago

Why would Ukraine have something on Biden lol.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice 1 points 3 months ago

Because "we are blowing billions of dollars over there instead of using the money here, It's your social security they are spending"

There isn't any logic to any of it. There doesn't have to be anymore.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Hunter Biden would make a much better president than Cheeto Benito.

[-] solomon42069 3 points 3 months ago

The Republican party are traitors to the United States and the western world.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Oh look, the misspelled “Gym”.

[-] CharlesDarwin 2 points 3 months ago

What is ol Gym Jordan gonna do now?

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