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[-] DigitalTraveler42 244 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Recently had an argument with my conservative father, he's always been big into Trek and Wars, and I had just started really watching Trek again, never watched a lot of the shows all the way through. So this father of mine started going on about how woke Trek was now, and I just lost it on him, I just get so tired of the "anti-woke" nonsense and he just finds some way to insert it into every conversation. So I was like "oh no, not woke Star Trek, the series about a socialist utopia, the series that holds the title of "the American show with the first interracial kiss", the show where Kirk throws his dick at every species with a quim, the show that had a Ruskie character in the middle of the f'n Red Scare." Star Trek was always woke, and my father was always too dumb, racially biased, and narcissistic to pick up on the lessons that they were trying to teach us when he watched it as a child in the 60's.

I have not even tried to bring up Star Wars since the Disney acquisition, I'm sure my father has an insufferable take on that series now as well.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting 146 points 4 months ago

I have met conservative Trek fans. I think some people really do watch stuff without ever thinking about it beyond its superficial spectacle.

[-] [email protected] 93 points 4 months ago

It’s like conservative Always Sunny fans.

[-] wsweg 69 points 4 months ago

It’s like conservatives with [insert 99% of media they consume, excluding Fox “news”]

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago

The non-woke Trekkies (or do they call themselves Trekkers? ) didn't think about interracial kisses or the post-scarcity society in which capitalists were small-time traders. They see Captain Kirk running roughshod over other societies and turning them into America (see The Apple and A Taste of Armageddon ) which was more about 60s Hollywood imagining cold war United States as the height of civilization.

The Next Generation dared to imagine a more internationalist sense of culture and got into the notion that even extremely weird aliens might be deserving of civil rights. But by DS9 the Federation was reimagined as a failing coalition with multiple rising renegade factions and worlds teeming with disregarded peoples. The story became less about rising to ideals and more about dealing with grimdark realities and compromising principles to preserve status quo.

Then the Kelvin Timeline Reboot got J. J. Abrams'd and Paramount got litigeous about fan films it previously endorsed and I became so disgusted with the state of Trek, I divested myself from it. Star Wars would suffer a similar fate, and I don't watch many movies these days.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy 36 points 4 months ago

Not understanding how anything works, and being angry about it, is a core tenet of conservatism.

[-] MisterRoboto 23 points 4 months ago

"when did star trek get all woke?!" "1966"

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[-] [email protected] 132 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

At this point media illiteracy is a requirement to be a Republican.

[-] FlyingSquid 119 points 4 months ago

There is a weird right-wing contingent of Trekkies who think it's all about pew pew fights with the Borg and they confuse the rest of us who love the idea of a socialist utopia where indigenous cultures are respected and people try to talk things out before shooting in hostile situations.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

Trek has no money in the Federation; no barter. Nobody who's watched a season of any Trek show can avoid noticing that. It might be a bit murky with characters like Harry Mudd, or the Ferengi, but those operate outside the Federation; you'd have to be daft to miss that. TNG was more careful with their "capitalist" characters like Kivas Fajo, who was clearly a collector and trader rather than a travelling salesman.

Right-wing free-market Trekkies are self-deluding.

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[-] [email protected] 91 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

“ Star Wars is bad now”

I mean yah, the vertical integration, means tested everything, nostalgia bating and assembly line techniques that Disney does sure do ruin otherwise fine properties.

“No, I don’t mind that, that’s just good business. I just hate the gay people who kissed in the background”

Oh, OH ok, you’re just an idiot…

[-] [email protected] 84 points 4 months ago

She's so much of a Trekkie she did the LL&P sign backwards

[-] negativeyoda 39 points 4 months ago

WESSSST SIIIIIIDE

(Of the beta quadrant)

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[-] Maultasche 29 points 4 months ago

Is this how Vulcans flip people off?

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[-] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago

StAr tReK is TOO DIVERSE, tHatS wHy I lIkE Babylon 5!

[insert heavy breathing and unchecked drooling]

[-] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago

she probably cheered for the bajor occupation or the government during the bell riots

[-] peopleproblems 22 points 4 months ago

Eugenics program? So this Khan guy is a good guy?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

Babylon 5 is too liberal, that's why I like Farscape

[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

Farscape isn't horny enough. That's why I like LEXX

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[-] bi_tux 58 points 4 months ago

the concept of science fiction is way to librul, since it suggests that science is real

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I would have thought they’d be more of a Starship Troopers fan, since the satire would fly over the fash’s head.

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[-] someguy3 53 points 4 months ago

Money doesn't exist in Star Trek but credits do in Star Wars.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

Money exists in Star Trek, the Federation just doesn't use it. the Ferengi love the stuff though

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[-] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago

update even got dragged by george takei

[-] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago

Attempts and fails at Vulcan greeting.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago

I know she's smarter, better, and stronger than I and would find a way to help explain and educate this woman on how she's pissing into the wind wrong....

But I can't help but imagine Janeway just kicking the shit out of that foxbot on principle and for the security of the federations reputation.

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[-] MolochAlter 34 points 4 months ago

Post scarcity societies can't be approached in any meaningful way with modern economic theories.

Star Trek is neither socialist nor capitalist, as both are systems designed to manage and portion out scarcity, and are based on economic theories that lack any predictive abilities in systems that don't work in a context of scarce resources that need administration.

Neither the labour theory of value nor marginal utility theory make any sense when all resources are trivial to obtain for individuals and whatever resources your community uses can be reused virtually endlessly within the limits of entropy.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Are we really dealing with "scarcity" at this point?

Supermarkets throw away literal millions of tonnes of food annually. "Reduce, reuse, recycle" has become a hollow mantra that cannot be truly adopted by the profit driven design philosophies of consumer products. Sustainability is being treated like some chic perk rather than a critical topic that must be taken seriously if we want any hope for our futures.

All these things are profoundly capitalist problems. Of course, it's not like marxist-leninist 'experiments' fared any better, devolving into their own variants of capitalism, but there are many other socialist ideologies to consider (such as anarchism...)

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[-] Tyfud 20 points 4 months ago

While that may be true about Star Trek after the fact, the truth is that in order to get the federation off the ground, and the world economy in line to create the first Enterprise and crew and all the scientific advancements they made, required the entire world moving to a purely socialistic platform/agenda to achieve.

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[-] banneryear1868 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Star Wars is literally space conservatives rebelling against the galactic communist (1970s US propagandized version of invented communism-fascist aesthetic*) empire...

Firefly is to an even greater degree, like libertarian Browncoats rebelling. I love the fan fic take that the Alliance were the "good guys."

[-] [email protected] 73 points 4 months ago

ok but the empire were literally fascists trying to rule the imperial senate with absolute authority......

[-] banneryear1868 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah it's not actual communism but more like a reflection of the fears of communism in pop culture from the time when it was written in the late 70s. Comment was a bit inprecise but amended.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Even the empire's uniforms were pretty obviously based on nazi uniforms, what makes you think the empire is supposed to represent communism?

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

George Lucas has said that it was the Vietnam War that inspired the conflict in Star Wars, with the Empire representing the US, but also the rebels could represent the US against the British Empire from the Revolutionary War.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one

[-] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

Tell me you're not really a fan of either franchise without telling me.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

I've seen the anti-woke Star Trek.

I had to stop when they invaded space Iraq due to WMD's.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

Just say you don't watch sci fi movies. Sheesh so desperate to fit in. Why does everyone want to be a nerd now? Didn't boomers invent beating up nerds???

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[-] rustyfish 27 points 4 months ago

Do these people think before they fucking talk?

[-] SpaceNoodle 27 points 4 months ago

Not before, nor during, nor after.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

They hardly think at all.

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