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Florida State Senator Ileana Garcia has introduced legislation to prohibit "weather modification" activities in the state.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_ 8 points 1 hour ago

Ok. Then they can stop all the measures taken to protect citrus from freezing. That’s weather modification.

[–] werefreeatlast 3 points 1 hour ago

The Disney spray nozzles during Summer are weather modifications! Get them!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 hours ago

Honestly, this is a good thing. Red states should all pass ridiculous laws like this. Get thing awful bill passed, and then go to Florida and call 911 on every vapor trail or especially long cloud you see.

[–] Etterra 4 points 2 hours ago

Oh boy, political theater. Assuming it's not their actual crackpot belief. Given the Orange Idiot's cabinet picks though, I wouldn't bet in that assumption being accurate.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 hours ago

Lmao, enjoy dealing with all the nuts trying to report “chemtrails” now.

Hell, maybe giving them a reason to flood legal channels is the goal and not the side effect.

[–] [email protected] 151 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Let them pass it, take it to the state courts and then claim (correctly with mountains of scientific evidence) that any combustion of fossil fuels counts as "weather modification"

[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

It sounds like they've thought of that:

The "Weather Modification Activities" bill sets out that "the injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within the borders of this state for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or the intensity of sunlight is prohibited."

So it allows releasing pollution that causes climate change since it is a side effect of other things (transport, power generation, etc.), but forbids intentionally trying to mitigate climate change by releasing anything into the air. Sounds about right for Florida politics.

That said, there is a real uncertainty about the side effects of may experimental geoengineering techniques, so some regulation is probably in order. Preferable not from Republicans for ignorant or bad faith reasons though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

Does this make outdoor misters illegal? Not sure how Disney World lines would be bearable in the summer without those misters cooling things down. But maybe they don't consider water a chemical?

[–] SendMePhotos 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

That's kind of dumb, no? Because what if we need weather control to reduce the fucking temperature?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

If they voted to be cook, cook em.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

We won't, we have AC /s

[–] Sterile_Technique 4 points 10 hours ago

That said, there is a real uncertainty about the side effects of may experimental geoengineering techniques, so some regulation is probably in order. Preferable not from Republicans for ignorant or bad faith reasons though.

Well, there's relative certainty that the absence of major geoengineering will result in climate destabilization not compatible with human life, so, we're like half a century overdue for worrying about how to tackle this in a controlled fashion.

We're in the press-buttons-in-a-pure-state-of-panic-and-fucking-hope-one-of-them-fixes-something phase of climate science.

Worse case scenario, we majorly fuck up and our corpses crisp up slightly faster than the track we're on now. Fuck it. Might as well try.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Cruise ships will have to shut off their engines 200miles from shore and coast in with their engines turned off .... don't know how they will leave port tho? .... rowing like a Roman Trireme maybe?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

No, because the bill only forbids emissions made for the express purpose of changing the weather. Cruise ship emissions, they'll argue, are done for the purpose of making the ship go.

[–] partial_accumen 7 points 10 hours ago

… rowing like a Roman Trireme maybe?

How else are cruise ship guests going to work off the all-you-can-eat ice cream bar available 24/7 on the lido deck?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Human breathing lets out CO2, a known greenhouse chemical.

So to be safe, just stop the breathing of everyone.

[–] kometes 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They're going after people who plant trees...

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 2 points 3 hours ago

Water trees, but basically yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Let them keep the ban.

[–] jordanlund 8 points 7 hours ago

So what about when Florida crops are starved for rain?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

[–] [email protected] 46 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Lol, they're literally the state that needs weather modification the most. Just ask the remaining home insurers.

This is hilarious.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 4 points 3 hours ago

Moron signaling

[–] EndOfLine 23 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

"the injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within the borders of this state for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or the intensity of sunlight is prohibited."

🤔 a substance or device released into atmosphere for the express purpose of affecting the temperature or sunlight intensity

Are they trying to ban misters, solar shades, and umbrellas?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Sorry outdoor restaurants, gonna need you to remove the umbrellas from your tables. They're classified as an apparatus used for the express purpose of reducing the intensity of sunlight.

[–] somethingsnappy 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Don't forget spray sunscreen, and possibly minorities having sex?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

They are going to ban any reference to a round earth next

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

somehow, they will definitely have a loophole for private jets …

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago

If you have a private jet then you will probably just pay the fine and consider it a parking fee.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Wait until airlines get fined for "chem trails"?

[–] Ensign_Crab 4 points 8 hours ago

Rockets also leave contrails.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Or all the airlines pull out of Florida. (I realize that will not, but a boy can dream)

[–] WindyRebel 2 points 2 hours ago

Oh they could and the old people there would suddenly be on Florida’s ass about this stupid law and get it changed very very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago

And also the Florida cruise industry collapses.

I fully support this bill. In our laboratory of democracy I think states should have the right to idiocy themselves into economic irrelevance.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek 6 points 10 hours ago

Eh, it's fairly unlikely but not that far fetched. A lot of insurance companies have pulled out of Florida now. So why not airlines if they start getting fined for bullshit reasons.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The "chemtrails" will continue, because they're a natural side effect of airliner travel in certain conditions.

Dumb Floridians will call authorities.

What will the state do? Tell the airlines they are liable for something they aren't doing?

The farce has to end somewhere.

Edit: let's just hope it ends before hillbillies feel justified for shooting at passenger aircraft.

[–] mipadaitu 1 points 3 hours ago

I mean... Contrails are bad for the climate and should be avoided, and it wouldn't cost that much more.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/03/12/1089620/how-rerouting-planes-to-produce-fewer-contrails-could-help-cool-the-planet/

Tho we all know that they accidentally stumbled into maybe a good idea.

[–] WrenFeathers 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve a feeling that the price of tinfoil hats is going to be increasing soon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

Unfortunately tinfoil hats could be classified as an apparatus that reduces the intensity of sunlight, so those are gonna have to go as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Might as well ban ghosts

🙄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

That won’t work. Most of their constituents think they will become ghosts soon

[–] hOrni 5 points 10 hours ago

So when people say, the democrats do nothing, do they mean in comparison to bills like this? I mean, technically You're right, but... dear god.

[–] Treczoks 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So they are finally going to combat climate change? By making driving and heating mostly, and breathing in general illegal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

No, because as the article says it's only emissions done for the express purpose of changing the weather that the bill forbids. That's how they make it legal to break things but illegal to even try to fix them.

[–] Tikiporch 3 points 10 hours ago

Sounds like a $10,000 fee to chem trail all over their state.

[–] Substance_P 5 points 11 hours ago

A grand chess move until the jurisdiction ceases to apply three nautical miles out from the coast line where international waters are under federal control... Oh,I see where this is going.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

“So today we pass an important bill to address nefarious government activities that we know are changing our countries climate. We will not tolerate any artificial means to alter weather.”

Everyone claps and congratulate each other on a job well done.

“Next, we are going to introduce severe penalties for any crazy scientists going around and scaring our states fine people with talk of climate change and blaming it on human activities.”

Everyone claps again.

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 11 hours ago

The qons seem to be getting stupider by the day.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey 1 points 11 hours ago

Someone's trying to prevent a Snowpiercer