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[–] MeekerThanBeaker 107 points 1 week ago

Guess Gavin's doing something right then. 👍

[–] PumpkinEscobar 92 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But, I thought Trump was all about state’s rights? This is very confusing. /s

[–] AbidanYre 27 points 1 week ago

Conservatives only care about states' rights to stomp on individual rights.

[–] Sam_Bass 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

he is about whatever advances his position. once achieved, he will not remember what it was he was for

[–] JeeBaiChow 73 points 1 week ago

Remember when rrump tried to blackmail Ukraine into slandering Biden? More power to Newsom.

[–] llamatron 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the next president of the US. He talks like a teenage bully.

[–] GreenKnight23 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that's giving him too much credit

[–] HerrBeter 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] EtherWhack 4 points 1 week ago

Well, I guess you could technically call a toddler a preteen.

[–] PumpkinSkink 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As much as I hate to admit it, Newsom has the right plan here. Democrats in power need to erect as many institutional barriers to Trump implementing his own policy, and doing it at the State level disrupts their route of attack significantly. The danger is that shielding blue state Republicans from the worst effects of Trump's economic policy might erode their potential support base, but they have to either take the risk, or carve out exceptions to their own policy that disproportionatly allow blue state Republicans to feel the sting (maybe, for instance, avoiding protections for small businesses). I doubt Democrats have the stomach for the latter option, so Newsom is making the correct play, and others should follow suit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you’re right. Everyone is bowing down and kissing the ring.

If Democrats want any respect they need to act bravely in unison now and erect every possible barrier possible.

One of the problem with liberals is they believe we live in a somewhat fair and just world where laws work, justice takes time, and if you play by the rules everything will work out fine.

Fascists will nod along with liberals while thinking they’re a bunch of idiots and will use their naivety against them until they gain power, then turn to violence.

Trump has a lot of plans to put into place effect so there will be a lot of balls in the air and actors on the field.

Everyone needs to block them, disrupt them, distract them in any way possible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think part of the problem is that liberals don’t actually think we live in an inherently just and fair world. But that they think that capitalism, corporatism, and “stability” at any cost (even if that stability is a downward slope to fascism/oligopoly and ecocide) can still be “just” and “fair.”

Look at—and I hate to use Bernie as the example, but it’s relevant—how Bernie’s kinda progressive policies were treated by the party. They refused to let him win. And then pseudo-“adopted” the outward appearance of those policies to win voters. If his policies aren’t harmful enough to refuse to endorse them…why would you not just let him be president? Why stop him and take facsimiles of his policies? Is it because they knew they would win them votes but they’d never in a million years enact those policies? What was scaring them about him winning with his (again, very moderate) policies?

This is just the most recent and telling example. And then…I mean, the genocide thing. Not supporting a genocide is a pretty goddamn easy ask. But they were probably bleeding voters because they just wouldn’t.

These are not big, crazy things to ask for. But stopping them and enacting helpful policies was unthinkable to them. Why is that. Because more than anything, they would protect the rotting corpse of capitalism and the global hegemony over anything that might help people. And that comes back to their fucking billionaire backers, I assume? They are the ones who stand to lose scraps of their money and power.

I mean, I have to assume that is the answer. But it can’t be denied, I don’t think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Oh Bernie…. Bernie would have given us a chance with real solutions and hope for the working class and would have been able to push back on Israel without being smeared as an antisemite.

But no, the DNC would never let him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Drag everything out in court for four years. SOP

[–] morphballganon 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

4 years won't be a significant interval after emperor Trump cancels future elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

There will be elections, just like in Russia

[–] Fedizen 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

stastically he has a 50% chance to die before his end of term if he's an average US human. The guy isn't exactly RFK Junior doing pushups everyday.

[–] Hobbes_Dent 5 points 1 week ago

He’s not the danger, he’s the patsy.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I’m pretty convinced that inside of a year, Trump is going to try to use the DoJ and various other agencies to specifically target CA in a ton of fucked up ways, and that it might ultimately be a dynamic that sparks a serious movement to secede. Which would of course spark CW2 under Trump.

This includes specifically targeting Newsom and trying to figure out a way to politically imprison him. This will be the American version of the Navalny/Putin conflict, which ended up with Navalny dying in a Siberian gulag.

[–] peopleproblems 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One thing we know about Trump though, is that he's bad at math. The Magats want CW2 so bad, but they don't understand anything beyond 'guns and men'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They forgot the butter side of that equation, which is to say I kinda doubt their logistics would be good enough to sustain a war. Worse case scenario ya get some lefty rednecks give em some horses and tell them to got wild on the infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Lefty redneck here, looking forward to receiving my free horse.

[–] leadore 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He did fuck around with Blue states in his first term. For just one example, he withheld federal disaster aid from California after a 2018 wildfire. His aides had to convince him that republicans who supported him were also impacted by the disaster before he would approve the funds:

“We went as far as looking up how many votes he got in those impacted areas … to show him these are people who voted for you."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I remember. And the weaponization of tax code against blue states.

[–] leadore 9 points 1 week ago

Yep. and halting COVID testing efforts at the beginning when they thought it was mostly going to hit just blue states.

[–] nandeEbisu 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not hard for the feds to illegally imprison someone. We have a political dissident illegally locked up under house arrest for bringing a lawsuit against Chevron in Ecuador.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah but we have never done that to a sitting governor of a state that’s also the 5th largest economy in the world before, so that’d be a bit of a new bridge to cross

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 47 points 1 week ago

But we should leave it up to the states to decide... right? Right?

[–] foggy 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gavin Newsom

Adam Schiff

Anthony Fauci

E Jean Carol

Liz Cheney

There's a legit list of names that are high on his list of doing something horrible to, to instill fear and facilitate compliance.

[–] A7thStone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't forget Leticia Jackson. I'm sure she is very high on that list as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jack Smith.

Jordan already has threatened him and said keep your receipts

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, ultimately states were designed as a check against federal power. If you live in a red state you're pretty fucked, but at least pockets of democracy might survive to repopulate the federal government again. maybe.

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[–] Sam_Bass 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

enrage him more. maybe it give him a stroke and get him booted before he can get in

[–] AngryRobot 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It'll only accelerate President Vance's term by 10 or 12 months.

[–] RizzRustbolt 5 points 1 week ago

Vance is a power vacuum in a brooks brother's suit.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newsom is underestimating the power of just screaming lies... People don't listen to reason and facts, they listen to riling up bullshit

[–] Etterra 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also repetition is a proven way to get people to believe anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, and repetition is a proven way to get people to believe anything.

[–] hombre_fundido 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know, they say repetition is a proven way to get people to believe anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've heard that before, sounds true

[–] Furbag 8 points 1 week ago

Many people are saying it!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Cue Fox News with their 24/7 propaganda bullshit.

How is Fox news legal? It should be banned and prohibited, not because i sont like the contents, but because they broadcast lies, after lies, after lies. The pundits have multiple leaked mails where they all admit they're full of shit, yet they continue and people lap it up. W.T absulute. F.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

States' rights except when

[–] Dorkyd68 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newscum?? Jfc he truly is such a fucking toddler. Does he have a team on hand just to make elementary level insults that pertain to ones name

[–] leadore 12 points 1 week ago

At first this sounded like you were calling Newsom a toddler instead of the toddler, until I read the next sentence. 😄

[–] dhork 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is just the 2028 campaign starting early

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure this was the last election in the us for quite a few years.

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 1 week ago

Why is donvict so mad? I thought he hates California.

[–] CharlesDarwin 2 points 1 week ago

Maher was asking what Polis is planning on doing, and I have to admit....I really didn't like the answer too much.

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