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Bernie Sanders doubles down that people are ‘angry’ with Dems after Pelosi said she didn’t ‘respect’ his remarks (www.independent.co.uk)

submitted 1 month ago by inclementimmigrant to c/politics

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Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.

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[–] GrymEdm 313 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

I'm not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don't listen they are going to fail again.

[–] A_Random_Idiot 151 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Pelosi is a piece of shit whose career should have ended in jail for insider trading decades ago.

[–] b3an 55 points 1 month ago

As a Democrat, even I’m sick of Pelosi’s shit.

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[–] Ensign_Crab 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don’t listen they are going to fail again.

They would rather fail than listen.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 57 points 1 month ago

They would rather fail than ~~listen~~ sacrifice corporate donations

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

... if there are any more elections

[–] Madrigal 46 points 1 month ago

Oh there’ll be elections. Just like Russia has elections, and Cuba.

[–] takeda 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think the biggest issue was actually with messaging. Democrats were still pretty much relying on MSM which almost no young people watch.

I think that beyond what Sanders says what left needs are young people, true populists (as opposed to pseudopopulists ones like MAGA has) with progressive messages.

https://runforsomething.net/

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I would say an over reliance on mainstream media certainly hurts them, but their messaging still sucks. Just to go with examples Bernie provided here, how do you think the Democrats message that the economy is doing just great resonates with the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, the 25% of elderly people who need to eke out a living on $15,000 a year or less, or the 20 million Americans working for less than $15/hour? It's a slap in the face to all of them. Messaging is not just getting the message out, but sending the right messages, and the Democrats whiffed hard on that front. They need to do some serious self-reflection and make some drastic changes to both the structure of the party and its platform if they want to do anything more than win the odd election for a single term when the GOP oversteps itself. Pelosi and the old ghouls that support her should all be kicked to the curb.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Like seriously, who do they think they’re fooling? This rhetoric of “the economy is great” doesn’t work on people who are struggling more and more every year through no fault of their own. Nobody but the super rich give a shit about quarterly profits and your definition of recession. The working class has been in “recession” for decades.

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[–] givesomefucks 189 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pelosi's attitude is a big reason why

She believes voters work for her and need to do what she wants or she scolds them, afterwards they'll listen.

Bernie believes the best way to get elected is to show voters you'll help them.

One method is very effective, it's just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.

If an elected official put the average voter first, where does that leave the wealthy?

Not first? Completely unacceptable, Thurston get my mink we're leaving.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago

Bernie is one of the few remaining politicians in our country who are in politics as a service vs a career. I wouldn't be surprised if after every time he gets elected he consoles himself, "this'll be the last time you need to run, this is the cycle where we'll fix American politics and you can go back to your dream of opening an ice cream shop."

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

One method is very effective, it's just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.

Slight disagreement. They pay a lot of money so candidates like that don't make it into a primary.

[–] pjwestin 143 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn't see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it's still deeply out of touch.

[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Kamala Harris did everything right

She presented her message of 'vote for me to keep things the same' flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don't want things to stay the same.

[–] teamevil 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They're looking forward to wishing they were able to live paycheck to paycheck...

[–] Ensign_Crab 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lord knows you're looking forward to watching people suffer just so you can lecture harder.

Scolding voters into voting for someone who represents no deviation from an untenable status quo has failed, very publicly, twice. It doesn't matter how bad the opponent is. This strategy is shit. Stop using it. Learn, damn you all. Learn.

I voted for Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Yeah, if Trump pulls the stuff he said he'd pull (Tariffs and mass deportations), then the supply of goods inside the country will fall drastically, resulting in stronger inflation. Which will then result in consumption of anything nonessential to collapse. This will lead to increasing unemployment.

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[–] ChillPenguin 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, fuck Pelosi. Completely out of touch. I wish we could ride ourselves of these dinosaurs.

[–] foofiepie 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago

So long as she can keep trading on insider information I seriously doubt that she cares.

[–] jordanlund 89 points 1 month ago (6 children)

"do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you?"

Forget about me, or the working class, the Democratic party doesn't actually fight for anything.

2000 election stolen in Florida? Ho hum, oh well... we'll get 'em next time! (2004 election stolen in Ohio...)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-mysterious/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/

You rightly nominated a Supreme Court Justice but the Senate refuses to give them a hearing? Oh well! Guess we'll just have to win the 2016 election...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination

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[–] Suavevillain 83 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Pelosi is the best example of what's wrong with Dems. Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.

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[–] d00phy 70 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.

I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.

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[–] JBar2 67 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.

Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them

Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it

Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it

Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities

Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing

Trump said he'd fire workers rather than pay them overtime

Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy

Etc, etc

[–] GraniteM 77 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Which indicates that policy is secondary to messaging. On every substantive policy metric, Democrats are better than Republicans. People even say they prefer Democratic policies over Republicans' when polled, by wide margins. So it must be the messenger and the way the message is being conveyed that is losing elections. That's not to say that policies don't matter, they absolutely do, but if you've got great policies and shit messaging, then you're not going to win voters over, no matter how much better you are.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All of those things you posted sound good, but if you look at the details and execution, it's either a pathetically laughable attempt or something they should have done 3 years ago.

Prosecute companies for wage theft.

Start splitting up monopolies at the beginning of your presidency or vice presidency, not at the end.

Don't destroy the train union and then pretend that you're pro-union because you went to one picket line. And as I recall, it was Joe who went.

When you push for non-competes or you push for student loan forgiveness, and the Republicans find legal ways to stop your efforts, find other legal ways to continue your efforts. If you just shrug your shoulders and say we tried, but we couldn't make your lives better, of course nobody is going to think that you meant a word you said.

The Democrat said 4 years to deliver, or at least to show that they tried very hard to deliver, and they chose to do neither of those. Which is sad.

And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we're immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn't already do it in the past. When we don't get an answer, we just shrug our shoulders. It's more of the same from Washington politicians. Democrats in Washington certainly represent somebody, but that somebody isn't you and me.

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[–] postmateDumbass 64 points 1 month ago (19 children)

No Nancy. You and your DNC are wrong and that is why you lost the presidency, senate, and house.

Fake party.

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[–] nifty 59 points 1 month ago

Pelosi’s response kinda proves that the DNC is just the other side of the shit coin running the funhouse arcade game of American democracy

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Big bussiness is scared that if given the chance bernie would win and they cant risk that.

[–] takeda 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's not wrap it in some mysterious "big businesses" it is really oligarchs vs us, they take more and more of wealth making all of us poorer and then use media (which they control) to say it is because of minorities our lives are so shitty.

I highly recommend On Freedom book by Timothy Snyder which talks how we are being manipulated to go against our best interest.

I think everyone should read it and be aware as things won't improve unless we start fighting back.

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[–] themeatbridge 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly call or email the Democratic party

Do it because it will be cathartic, but don't do it expecting them to listen. Progressives need a new tack if we're actually going to save humanity from ourselves. (Spoiler, we probably won't)

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Shes nodding to the corporste over lords. She's saying:

don't worry, we will never betray your riches kisses feet we will fight for your continued market dominance and wealth inequality

[–] riodoro1 32 points 1 month ago

She is a corporate overlord. The old witch couldn’t care less about normal, poor people.

She deserves to be treated like a queen of france.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

It is a rare moment when you can pinpoint issues that Bernie Sanders was on the wrong side of, even with the benefit of hindsight. Because of that, I have more faith in Bernie Sanders' wisdom than any other politician at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

Well I don't respect Pelosi, so I feel like we've got balance here

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not American, and I can't vote in US elections. Bernie Sanders is one of few US political figures that I respect the opinions of.

I don't know what Pelosi is smoking, but it has to be some good shit.

[–] Wogi 43 points 1 month ago

She's smoking corporate cock, just like the rest of Congress.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Pelosi should just gtfo and become a stock broker. She's unusually good at trading stocks for some obscure reason.

(The reason is insider trading)

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[–] WolfmansBrother 30 points 1 month ago

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