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It is a scenario playing out nationwide. From Oregon to Pennsylvania, hundreds of communities have in recent years either stopped adding fluoride to their water supplies or voted to prevent its addition. Supporters of such bans argue that people should be given the freedom of choice. The broad availability of over-the-counter dental products containing the mineral makes it no longer necessary to add to public water supplies, they say. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that while store-bought products reduce tooth decay, the greatest protection comes when they are used in combination with water fluoridation.

The outcome of an ongoing federal case in California could force the Environmental Protection Agency to create a rule regulating or banning the use of fluoride in drinking water nationwide. In the meantime, the trend is raising alarm bells for public health researchers who worry that, much like vaccines, fluoride may have become a victim of its own success.

The CDC maintains that community water fluoridation is not only safe and effective but also yields significant cost savings in dental treatment. Public health officials say removing fluoride could be particularly harmful to low-income families — for whom drinking water may be the only source of preventive dental care.

“If you have to go out and get care on your own, it’s a whole different ballgame,” said Myron Allukian Jr., a dentist and past president of the American Public Health Association. Millions of people have lived with fluoridated water for years, “and we’ve had no major health problems,” he said. “It’s much easier to prevent a disease than to treat it.”

According to the anti-fluoride group Fluoride Action Network, since 2010, over 240 communities around the world have removed fluoride from their drinking water or decided not to add it.

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[-] esc27 204 points 2 months ago

So lead, plastic, and PFAS are fine but fluoride is where they draw the line…?

[-] FlyingSquid 28 points 2 months ago

They're also against vaccines because supposedly vaccines will damage their DNA... whereas apparently PFAS don't.

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[-] [email protected] 194 points 2 months ago

I am SO tired of being at the mercy of idiots.

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[-] [email protected] 167 points 2 months ago

No, people shouldn't have the right to choose if fluoride is added to their water. People are stupid. You vote to remove something that will greatly help children that can't vote. The government's job, sometimes, is to stop stupid people from hurting others and their selves. That's the reason you can't drink raw milk or use lead gas.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

The raw milk thing is actually part of the reason the FDA was formed!

[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's the reason you can't drink raw milk or use lead gas.

You can get raw milk if your state allows it. The federal government bans it, but only has regulatory authority over interstate commerce, so it can't be moved across state boundaries, but you can get it if it's made in-state.

I mean, I think that you're mostly aiming to expose yourself to listeria, but if that's what someone wants...

My guess is that dairy farmers have an interest in promoting it in that if they can sell it, it gives them a market without much competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_raw_milk_debate

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Drinking milk was a bad example. I should have said sell unpasteurized milk. The point I think we both agree is that stupid for people make stupid decisions. Just like I don't think people can decide about vaccines that have very low risk rates. It effects everyone, not just the idiots.

[-] RememberTheApollo_ 25 points 2 months ago

If stupid people want to make stupid decisions, that’s fine. The problem is when they try to take the rest of society down with them via damage or converting others to that stupidity.

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[-] [email protected] 148 points 2 months ago

We live in the time of the most readily available and advanced information yet continually make the dumbest fucking decisions.

“Cavities…yeah….goddamn hadn’t had one of those in awhile, we should bring those back.”

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[-] dustyData 133 points 2 months ago

The UK used the same argument to stop the addition of iodine to salt. "People already consume enough dietary iodine". You know what happened? Thyroid diseases are on the rise in the UK again, slowly creeping back to early XX century levels.

[-] someguy3 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think iodine is underappreciated. But also I think fewer and fewer people use the salt shaker because they eat so much processed food (which has salt that is not iodized). Then you're down to milk and seafood. Milk gets it because they use iodine to sanitize the udders. So if you don't drink milk and who eats seafood on most days. Solution to anyone reading: multivitamin.

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[-] FlyingSquid 90 points 2 months ago

You can't trust this stuff. I only drink water straight from the creek and- excuse me, my diarrhea is acting up.

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[-] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago

Ban the fluoride and give universal dental care like Canada is planning.

A pipe dream. The dummies will likely just ban the fluoride with no other plan or solution.

[-] [email protected] 105 points 2 months ago

Or, ya know, keep the fluoride in the water and also give universal dental care. Removing the fluoride from the water is the more expensive solution.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago

USA, can you PPEASE remform your education system and actually ensure that everyone gets a normal and good education? Your idiots are ruining the country.

Also while at it, use that education to teach the kids what freedom really is, how little you really have of it, that boasting about it is dumb, and that using it to make idiotic decisions doesn't make you look awesome, it makes you look like, well, an idiot.

[-] CosmicCleric 22 points 2 months ago

De-education has been an agenda of one of the parties since the eighties, and we're just seeing it take fruit now.

These things take time, and that party plays the 'long game'.

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[-] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Supporters of such bans argue that people should be given the freedom of choice.

If you honestly don't want fluoride, you can remove it yourself.

Honestly, if you're that paranoid about anything in your drinking water, you'd probably benefit from outright distilling it anyway.

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[-] MapleEngineer 56 points 2 months ago

We need to stop letting the village idiots make policy.

[-] TheLowestStone 22 points 2 months ago

We need to stop letting the conservatives make policy.

FTFY

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

You just repeated what OP said.

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago

Americans won the battle to bring back measles

Now they’re fighting to bring back tooth decay

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago

People can be fucking ignorant and unfortunately Covid made this all worse. There are simple measures we can take as a society to make everyone’s health better but people succumb to misinformation spread by those who profit from the alternative.

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[-] Zachariah 47 points 2 months ago

It’s only “fluoride” if it’s from the Florida region of the United States of America—otherwise it’s just a sparkling inorganic, monatomic anion of fluorine.

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[-] SpiceDealer 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not this shit again. This pseudo-scientific nonsense has been debunked numerous times already. You would think that this would be a dead conspiracy theory but here we are debating this once more. This is what happens when you have an scientifically illiterate population.

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[-] Treczoks 41 points 2 months ago

When the tap water is "cloudy, bubbly, and milky" I think of a thousand different reasons why this could be. Flourid is not on that list.

If the tap water looks like that, I'd have the installarion checked before anything else. And I would not put it beyond an American water provider to deliver absolutely shitty water.

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[-] randon31415 38 points 2 months ago

This sounds like that Simpsons episode where the school board votes down the "free recharging of fire extinguishers". They aren't even saying that their might be problems with floride, they just want choice for the option of choices sake. What is next, freedom to push your children into traffic?

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[-] Treczoks 36 points 2 months ago

Just another pest boil of the lack of scientific education in the US. Anti-Vaxx, Anti-Flouride, Anti-Science in general. Do you guys want to go back to the age of pilgrim fathers, or what?

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ugh! This is why we can't we have nice things.

Send these idiots to 5th grade science class, and don't let them out until they pass with at least a C.

We had a fairly popular game show here called Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, and collectively, the answer is apparently "no, we're not".

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[-] Etterra 33 points 2 months ago

JFC this again? I thought all these conspiracy wackadoos had moved on to dumber and crazier things.

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[-] Smokeless7048 32 points 2 months ago

God i wish my community fluoridated its water. Just had a kid, and anything to help prevent cavities is amazing, and low levels of floride is such an easy, risk free and cheap solution.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fun fact: adding flouride to drinking water is illegal in my country and I think it has always been illegal.

We do have it in varying quantities in our drinking water but that's apparently because of our geography. We also have maximum limits like many other countries do.

People with their own water wells are more likely to have elevated levels of fluoride in their water.

[-] werefreeatlast 24 points 2 months ago

Teeth....the haves vs. the haves not....another Florida experiment.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent 24 points 2 months ago
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[-] Jomega 21 points 2 months ago

They should change nothing and say that they got rid of it. It's not like these people are smart enough to tell the difference.

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