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[–] cabron_offsets 104 points 2 days ago (3 children)

lol. Wait until a head of lettuce costs $14.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

It's not a laughing matter. The poors will pay, and the rich people won't notice.

"how much can one banana cost, Michael? Ten dollars?"

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It'll be because democrats are trying to raise the minimum wage and let trans people be represented in libraries.

/s, cuz I get in trouble for not relaying sarcasm well

[–] someguy3 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's because sarcasm doesn't work well over text.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

YOU DON'T WORK WELL OVER TEXT!!!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] xpinchx 6 points 2 days ago

Lol yep the only crops we will get will have to be imported and heavily tariffed. Gg Trump

[–] thisphuckinguy 19 points 2 days ago

Well, fuck those Trump farmers.

[–] MushuChupacabra 67 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Would that be Trump voting farmers?

[–] Snowclone 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I live in farm country, and yes these guys are constantly voting republican and complaining endlessly about illegals, they buy into this non sense and they genuinely think it some how magically won't effect them, or that white migrant farm workers are going to magically appear.

[–] AngryRobot 7 points 1 day ago

My wife was born and raised in SE Idaho, potato country. Their tiny hometown has a ton of illegal Hispanics, and ALL the potato farms hire them. But they all vote straight Republicans

These people are fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

You know it. They consistently vote against their own best interests.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

They forgot to read the memo

[–] reddig33 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would these be the same farmers that voted for Trump? 🤔

[–] CharlesDarwin 26 points 2 days ago

"Ah sure ahm tired of all the mean tweets, but he tells it like it is!"

[–] whotookkarl 7 points 1 day ago

Let's see how the Florida's harder stance on immigration is going after a couple years:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-immigration-law-significant-unintended-consequences/

"Rogelio Rauda, an undocumented worker from Honduras doing construction in Crystal River, Florida, says only eight workers he knows came to the disaster zone out of the hundreds he says typically show up."

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1242236604/florida-economy-immigration-businesses-workers-undocumented

"Hetrick says what Florida is facing is symbolic of the larger reality in the country — where there is an aging population and politicians framing immigration as a threat rather than fixing a broken system."

Yep

[–] demizerone 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh don't worry, Trump has a plan to remove minimum wage, so Americans can work the fields. That combined with anti homeless supreme Court rulings means your ass will work the fields for $2 an hour or for free from prison.

[–] Boddhisatva 9 points 2 days ago

I'm fairly certain Trump intends to arrest all the illegal looking folk that he can and then use them as prison labor for all the jobs that they used get paid for.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Leopards are going to be eating well the next few years :>

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good, fuck them for voting against their own interest and deport the second-third generatiom Mexicans thar voted for Trump.

[–] ThrowawayInTheYear23 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Those are just Mexicans that can swim.

[–] TheDemonBuer 39 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Yeah, if Trump deports all those people, who will we exploit for cheap labor?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To deport someone, the receiving country has to agree to accept them. Mexico will accept their own nationals, and possibly those of some other countries, but they won't accept everyone. What do you do with people who's country refuses to accept them back (this has happened)? And what do you do with them when you can't determine where to send them back to? You've already promised they won't be let loose, so you'll put them into containment facilities - all very hastily-built, because there are so many people you've accumulated so quickly.

But you have more people than you know what to do with, and they're all just idling in the camps, and the nation is desperate for workers. The temptation is too great: instead of spending all this money maintaining the camps, you can offset the expenses by renting them to various industries as cheap labor.

It's still expensive, your people still resent spending money on them, and you still want to deport them, so you don't spend much on food or medicine or clothes or sanitation. Winter comes, disease rips through the camps, and masses die - but that's not your responsibility, these things happen ...

Just a reminder that most of the concentration camps Germany built weren't extermination camps, they were slave labor camps but the administration didn't care if the prisoners died of disease or injury, they'd just round up more people to feed the German machine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

They'll strike a deal with some other country to take them. Then issue contracts for private chartered flights at $10k/person, given to their best buddies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-61782866

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm absolutely opposed to this deportation thing, it's cruel and if anything I feel that we should be encouraging more immigrants to come here, but the "it'll be bad because it'll get rid of all the people who do these jobs american citizens don't want to do" line does sorta gloss over the fact that if the job conditions are so bad that if people have literally any other option the role goes unfilled, something probably needs to be done to improve the conditions of that job, especially if it is as vital as food production.

[–] krashmo 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You're not wrong but what's a realistic path to accomplishing such a thing? Capitalists want to extract as much money as possible so raising wages or improving working conditions without being forced is out of the question. The only party with even a pretend interest in forcing that discussion just got beat down all over the country. And no one cares enough about the issue to fix it by paying more for food, which would probably still be true if we doubled wages for all jobs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Realistically it is difficult, I agree, as capitalism doesnt look to be going anywhere and the current environment doesnt seem like one where increased regulation is likely to get passed. Honestly I think the most realistic path to some improvement at the moment is research into automation tech for the kinds of farm roles that currently rely on cheap labor. Not that capitalists wont just take the cost savings and still pay people less, but its at least possible to pay people more without increasing the cost of staples if the available revenue can be spread across fewer more productive workers, and because operating complex machinery and maintaining it take more time to learn, such workers at least might have a better shot at organizing and thereby forcing that wage increase, because their skills could be harder to replace. And because the technology theoretically allows for increased profits, funding developing it might stand a chance at still getting through even current political conditions.

Honestly, that might be required even in a more equitable economic system anyway though, at some level that kind of work seems like it would have pretty slim margins, so even if the profits were distributed fairly, it still might not be enough to make those jobs not terrible.

[–] errer 2 points 2 days ago

Automation of some of the jobs might be possible, but likely still wildly more expensive than paying some immigrant peanuts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Or you need slaves

Guess which option the pigs will pick

[–] mriguy 7 points 2 days ago

History has many examples of how shipping urban intellectuals off to work on farms rids you of said intellectuals and leads to (checks notes) mass starvation. Since that’s the worst possible outcome, I imagine he’s going to go with that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Is it you and me? I bet it's you and me.

[–] inclementimmigrant 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well I'm hoping white people but we know how well that worked in Georgia and Arizona, we found out they're just too soft to work those jobs despite being told they would be taking their jerb back

[–] TheDemonBuer 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The migrant workers are often subjected to working conditions that would violate federal worker protection laws, but because they are in the country illegally, they don't report the poor working conditions out of fear. That's exploitation, through and through. No worker should be expected to tolerate such poor treatment, regardless of skin color.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These companies depend on immigrant labor... Will they stand idly by while government takes away their exploitable pool of undocumented immigrants?

[–] TheDemonBuer 1 points 1 day ago

Likely not, but Trumpism is very quid pro quo based, so those companies that have the means to gain favor with Trump might be able to keep their laborers or gain exclusive rights to immigrant laborers. The smaller companies will be sacrificed in this regard.

[–] ThrowawayInTheYear23 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] TheDemonBuer 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There you go. It will be a boon for the prison industrial complex. God bless capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Prison stock prices have soared since the election.

[–] cheese_greater 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The FO phase can finally begin

[–] inclementimmigrant 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It happened in 2016 and they found out and they went back to the trough for more toadstool.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

This is the rare FA[FAFO]FO.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn't that why Musk paid his way in? He's going to push his Optimus robots to do this work and he'll make all his money back that he lost on Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean those laughable robots unworthy of the name that are 20 years behind Boston dynamics and still require an operator to actually do anything at all?

Yeah, that is going to happen just as much as the hyper loop is going to happen. And the missions to Mars. And the full self driving.

Musk is full of shit, always has been. He's a scammer who got incredibly lucky and from there on just floated up on his bullshit that Musk boys lapped up like honey.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, those are the ones I'm referring to. I agree they suck and are years behind Boston Dynamics. With that said, a lot of things are happening that I didn't think would happen so I stand by my prediction.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Let the face eating begin!

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