The fact that it’s only half is mind boggling
this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2024
559 points (98.8% liked)
politics
19223 readers
2786 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Remember that ~40% have been told that fascism, communism, socialism, and the Democratic party are all the same for the last 40+ years by "news" organisations.
And frankly, we've been blowing the fascism whistle for a long time. Though the GOP/Trump are indisputably fascist now, a lot of people are numb to the alarm and don't take it seriously.
The boy who cried fascist.
The boy who cried fascist, except he never lied about it a single time, there's just a lot of people who didn't care if a few sheep get taken, and refuse to care now that we're running out of sheep.
How many of the elements of fascism does a person or party need to contain before they're fascist in your eyes?
Not the boy who cried fascist.
A man who was so consistently fascist over such a long period of time that it duplicated the effect, even though nobody who pointed it out was exaggerating.
"The boy who cried fascist" would mean people were saying it when it wasn't true. The stupid he makes is so baffling that it can seem that way though, can't it?
load more comments
(2 replies)
That's what makes their messaging so effective. They just mislabel all sorts of shit so words lose all meaning.
My understanding from my remaining MAGA friend is that they're fed a steady diet of "liberals believe crazy theories" all day long from all the sources they're allowed. e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.
Now the fact that this circumvents reason and agency are (apparently) irrelevant.
e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.
This kind of thinking is what will be the downfall of humanity. Already is happening.
And of that half, some are voting for him because of it.
Nearly two-thirds also say Trump often departs from the truth
JFC this is way too low.
Such a softball way of putting it. More like “lies every time he breathes”.
Even the softball way can't get 2/3!
And yet a good chunk of that 2/3 is willing to vote for him anyways.
The problem is that half of America likes fascism.
Fascism thrives on establishing an "In" group that has all the power and all the rights, and an "Out" group that gets nothing but suffering and is scapegoated for everything. You can guess which group that half thinks they'll be a part of.
The problem is that they always need an "out" group. So what happens when you get rid of all of the illegal immigrants? Suddenly, you're no longer part of the "in" group because you're neurodivergent or have the wrong color eyes. Or whatever becomes the new "out" group.
Then you're dead
My hypothesized order of scapegoats is:
- Non-cis gender identity
- Sexual orientation
- Neurodivergence
- Race
- Women
- Wealth
They can't be too obvious about the end state being the rich having absolute domination over the poor, nor can they jump straight to demographics that have historically fought for equal rights.
You forgot people of color and people who don’t hold an ever-narrowing definition of correct religious faith. And people belonging to unions.
This. Half of America likes fascist ideas, but don't want to to support THE WORD "fascism" since that's a bad word. Fucking idjits.
load more comments
(13 replies)
This would be big news if having a majority actually mattered.
Meanwhile %90 europe sees Trump a fascist
Unfortunately not true. When I look at how many people have been voting on the right recently. For example among AfD voters in Germany (which got 30% in some areas), Trump is still very popular. The cancer is rampant here too.
I think it's wrong to think that because the right supports Trump that they don't think he's a fascist. A significant portion of those on the right support Trump because they think he's a fascist.
The important questions are, of the Americans who think Trump is a fascist:
How many think it should disqualify him?
How many plan to vote for him despite him being a fascist?
How many plan to vote for him because he's a fascist?
A good chunk of Trump's cancer is caused by terrible left wing policy.
I hate Trump and everything about the far right, but I can understand people falling in love with the idea of a strongman who will cut through bullshit and do what people want.
The left is supposed to mitigate income inequality, and make life good for their citizens.
Both left/right idealogies are entirely owned by corporate interests across the globe - this is the crux of the entire issue.
The problems facing the middle class are entirely artificial and intentional. There are a myriad of reasons, but the end result is that we have one societies/laws/reality for the wealthy, and a completely different set of rules for the population.
The left promises to solve everything with equality and the right promises to resolve everything with hierarchy.
Neither idealogy has any intention of doing anything but funnel as much money/power to big business until their political careers are done.
The obvious difference is the "Right" idealogies are objectively bad for everyone but the ultra wealthy. Unfortunately being ultra wealthy gives you the ability to own national anti-reality propaganda networks.
The US doesn't have a left wing.
load more comments
(1 replies)
The other half lick his boots
I'm pretty sure a good percentage of those who believe him a fascists also approve of that
Only half? America is so weird
At least a third don't know what fascism is. We do not do education well. It's how we ended up here in the first place.
The other half is stupid
No, the other half just doesn't know what fascism means.
Or they know and are ok with it because they're cis, white, males who call themselves christian.
They think it's a condiment
So every Democrat voter basically and no Republican voter sees him as one.
Not quite every Democratic voter as it's only 50%. Every Democrat and a majority of independents said he lies since that was 2/3rds and a bit over 30% of the population are Republicans with another about 10% being made up of right leaning independents.
Among registered voters who think Trump is a fascist, 8% support him anyway.
Probably a few Republicans in there.
and the half that dont cant even spell fascist
.... Yet a good chunk will vote for him anyway, because they think Trump is hurting the right people.
And the other half love him for it.
Half of Americans don't view him as a fascist and will gladly vote for him, and a portion of the other half sees it as a sign of leadership
view more: next ›