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Donald Trump would have been convicted over 2020 election, special counsel report says
(www.theguardian.com)
You had 4 years. 4 years.
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Yeah, that's just a lame excuse. It just conveniently took too long, ah shucks, if only he hadn't won, gosh darnit.
We have to distinguish between Jack Smith who started in 2022, and was extremely unlucky with respect to court decisions, and Garland who wasted 2 years before appointing Smith.
canon delayed it, not smith. did everyone forget about all that?
Exactly. Corruption is what made it take so long, not the prosecutor.
did everyone forget about all that?
Well, yeah. There's too much stuff going on deliberately to keep track of everything and remember the details months or years after the fact.
Blame Garland
Blame Garland
And Biden, and democrats in congress for not pushing to fucking get it done for 2 years.
And Pelosi for preventing any action and protecting Trump while he was president, and she was majority leader.
And Mueller for making a mockery of the special investigation, dragging it out for years, and then having done just about the narrowest investigation possible, and letting traitors walk despite clear evidence.
It's fucking incompetence all the way through, to a degree it must be perceived as maliciousness, and that both parties are in on it.
Goddam I'm happy to live in a country that doesn't effectively have a 2 party system. I cannot fathom how Americans tolerate their idiotic flawed democracy for almost 250 years now! Isn't it about time to modernize? And yet American politicians boast of their democracy and claim to protect democracy around the world, when they fucking can't even figure it out for their own country!
Interrupting the peaceful transition of power should have been the Day 1 job of the justice department. Not the second year job of Jack Smith.
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Congratulations to the American people, for having the guts to elect a crazy criminal malignant narcissist idiot for president.
I doubt many places would have the guts to do that.
To be entirely honest, this makes me doubt we will make it as a species.
To be entirely honest, this makes me doubt we will make it as a species.
On election day when he didn't lose by a landslide I had the same thought even before all the results were in. The level of idiotic selfish spitefulness required to keep him from losing by a country mile after all that's happened is absurd.
IDK why you are downvoted, maybe it's the double negative?
But just to make it clear, keep from losing = winning.
So corrected for double negative:
The level of idiotic selfish spitefulness required for him to win..
And yes I agree completely, it's insane he even had a chance, and it says a LOT about the American society as a whole is mentally ill.
Not everybody, but enough to make it a systemic problem throughout everything in society. It must be hell to live in USA as a normal person!
Thanks, yeah I'm not sure. Maybe my wording is confusing.. it's early here. And I'm pissed. I don't want to live in a world where a person is rewarded heartily for being all the horrible shitty things we were all taught not to be. It almost feels like morality was invented to keep everyone from having the balls to lash out against these absolute sociopath types.
Americans are indoctrinated with values of individual freedom to a degree where Malignant narcissism has become a virtue, and it shows throughout all aspects of society.
Everything that benefit common good is demonized. Like food stamps, social welfare, healthcare for all, protection of minorities, lack of union rights, insane gun rights, and abolishing free abortion, and even sex education.
It's in everything American in society, and USA is so far removed from other developed countries it's more like a very poor developing country in many aspects.
It's all about oppressing the non privileged, to give more privileges to the already privileged.
Now people are even getting away with claiming slavery wasn't so bad!!
You're right. It's sold as "believe X if you like freedom" when the reality is "believe X to keep the rich's boot on your neck, necessarily decreasing freedom". It's not a freedom for your kid to die by a school shooter, but somehow millions believe it is.
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Congratulations to the American people, for having the guts to elect a crazy criminal malignant narcissist idiot for president.
Twice!
The Covid response taught me we're doomed.
If we can't get people to wear masks and get vaccinated for a disease that's actively killing millions we ain't gonna do shit over climate change.
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Voted for Harris out of usual attempted harm reduction because this place is irreparably destroyed since Reagan, but let's not kid ourselves, Donald Trump represents the United States as it is perfectly.
Proudly ignorant, proudly greedy, proudly gluttonous, obese, egotistical, explicitly judges others on net worth, perpetually drunk on cruelty and schaudenfreude, obsessed with image and his own ego score, demands loyalty and servitude while providing none aka a devout capitalist, obsessed with economic metastasis at literally any human and societal cost, proudly racist while still insisting he's not, the embodiment of what Americans disgustingly praise: a hyperindividualist who revels in blaming people not born to wealth for their suffering and insists this is a meritocracy after a lifetime of spending daddy's money.
Donald Trump is like the zeitgeist of the modern United States somehow took tangible human form. You can try to argue we don't deserve him, or that we have the potential to be a better society than one that would elect him, but you can't argue he represents who and what a loathsome society we are. A monument of all our sins.
He's more American as apple pie or baseball ever was, and he's at least as American as our current national pastimes of mass shootings and of course disgusting hyper-consumption.
That's why he illicits such a strong response in both directions. Whether you are repulsed or see your own necrotic heart in him, He is an accurate mirror of the practiced culture of The United States of America.
I'm not happy about it but you're right 😡👍
I'm not either. But I find peace in understanding, even if the answers suck, as this one does.
If I had an in anywhere in Europe, I'd leave and never look back.
I phone banked for Sanders twice, but have finally accepted this place would take generations of concerted effort to be anything less than cruel and inhuman. It's too proud of the core causes of its rot (worshipped sociopathic "free to die in the streets market" economy, pride in individualism over community or society, social resentment of paying into Commons like public Ed, greed seen as virtue rather than character deficit and social ill, etc) to want to change.
Ask any therapist, if someone isn't seeking change, you won't get anywhere with them. We want things to get better, but we still want to dream of being millionaires and billionaires, and to remain addicted to harmful social opiates like social media, fast food, extreme consumerism, literal opiates, etc.
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They say the US justice system moves slowly, but this is incredibly slow. I'm not an American, but if I was I would be very disappointed.
Investigations of Trump reliably conclude just after it becomes impossible for them to have any effect on him. It feels a little deliberate on the part of both Republicans and Democrats.
Looking in from the outside I don't think that's what's happening. It's just the US legal system being very pliable if you have enough capital. Which isn't great.
Democrats: Takes forever to get around to doing what they need to do until it's last minute. The last minute passes them, they're throwing a fit about it.
Republicans: Starts pulling strings and tapping connections to throw as much shit around as possible and orchestrate theater to pad the time it takes.
You can still be disappointed.
Sure. I can, but I can't vote in the US so I find that spending my emotional energy on that has fairly limited effects.
I still find it sad that we live in a world where a large amount of people praise felons
It's not great, is it
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It's only slow for some. For others it's fast.
I am very disappointed.
THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU
Let's be fair here, they only had 4 years to get this done. A mere 1460 days or 35040 hours.
Maga won't do it and libs are pussies. The US summed up in one sentence.
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Well that sucks. Harris winning would have been nice.
But don't you understand? The genocide totally would've been worse or even the same. Something something duopoly! /s
Edit: to be clear, if you argued against voting for Harris, this is partially your fault. And I'm done with you. Write me a shitty reply here to be added to the blocklist. I'm all out of patience for your types.
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Everything republicans do is based in fear, spite, and greed.
They fear brown people and immigrants, so they deport them, only to bring them back in as indentured servants, to spite the poor people that refuse to work for less than the minimum wage, to personally enrich themselves.
Greed, Spite, Fear.
If they had been born German in the early 1900's, they wouldn't just be nazis, they'd be enthusiastic nazis.
Well, I think we can all agree that Trump and the Republican party have certainly learned from all this and will in no way attempt to hold power if they lose another election.
I also predict that the Republican party will coincidentally lose fewer elections from now on.
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Is there a law in this country or is it everything a fucking popularity contest? USA is just a crazy distopian tv-show at this point.
It's a reality TV show called America's Got Oligarchy
Can they impeach him once he's in office?
If the dems manage to take back congress in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if he's bogged down in impeachment proceedings for the rest of his term.
Also out of interest, can private citizens take forward the prosecution? The justice department is being stopped for political reasons but is there anything to stop a private citizens group or organisation taking forward the prosecution based on the evidence noted in the report?
Impeachment number three would be wild, but let's be realistic. It's gonna happen, anyway.
Charlie Murphy coined it best: habitual line stepper
Literally above the law.
When brains and ballots fail, bullets are the last line of exacting justice.
When the rules change to suit the needs of the 1%, there are no rules.
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They would have convicted him and then done what to teflon Don?
Well obviously Trump belongs in jail. And if they followed the law, he would be.
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I actually believed this, I think the Supreme Court was actually waiting to see if Trump was going to be re-elected or not.
If he wasn't they'd have played the "You have outlived your usefulness" card and thrown him to the wolves.
Since he won, well... "You gotta respect the office"
For the record, normally I agree with "Even if you hate the guy, you have to respect the office.", well, in better days I did.
Now, if the person in question shows clear contempt for the office, you do not have to do any such thing.
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