The only people this was a "secret" too are people who weren't looking or listening.
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It sucks how much people are ignoring this.
Well, a lot of people - mostly people in a certain age range - kept saying how magical the younguns are, how media savvy and how morally upright they were, and how they were going to get things right where the stupid boomers, Gen X and Gen Y got it all wrong...
And while I'd like to believe that, I've seen little evidence of better instruction anywhere K-12 or in higher education about logical fallacies and teaching about a good media diet. Being able to install an app on your phone doesn't make anyone media savvy; these things are designed so nearly any idiot can use it.
Why anyone ever thought that "the kids" were going to be able to have a better filter than older generations is like assuming kids plopped in front of Saturday morning TV that was meant to PREY on them were more "media savvy" about that environment....sigh.
If anything the easy access to information and apps are a lower barrier of entry than in the past meaning you can be dumber and still participate.
I don't want to shit on an entire generation but I am also not so impressed. This is a historic thing though where people don't think highly of younger generations. One needs to be aware of this bias.
If anything the easy access to information and apps are a lower barrier of entry than in the past meaning you can be dumber and still participate.
Yes, exactly this. I'm old enough to remember the Eternal September and the inherent assumptions built into that criticism - prior to that, the Internet population tended to be skewed toward very smart people in the engineering/technique kind of sense, but also I would say quite a few were lacking in emotional intelligence and/or wisdom as well and it would be hard to argue they were any better at critical thinking and/or media literacy. I remember people lamenting how "easy" AOL made it ( ironically, probably something quite a few of our "tech savvy" younger generations of today might find way too onerous to bother with, LOL).
But I certainly do chuckle at the notion that "kids just know tech better" just by virtue of using a touch interface from early childhood and having intimate knowledge of a few branded platforms. I mean, UX, when it comes to commercial software products, is about making sure people are not breaking their brains on using those products. They are specifically designed so even the dumbest (usually with a "but can your mother/grandmother understand it" kind of discussion by the builders) in the population can use it. Familiarity with a product/platform is no more "tech savvy" than knowing all about Nike makes someone a top athlete.
I'm a highschool teacher. This generation of students isn't even more tech savvy, let alone media savvy. Your exactly correct about the design of modern technology; this generation grew up with tablets and iPhones, they have no idea how to do some incredibly basic tasks unless an app does it for them, and they no understanding of really core - and in my mind simple - computer use concepts like what a folder is, or how find a file on a device and attach it to an email.
We've begun teaching media literacy in the highschools, but it's unfortunately falling into the pitfalls or most education. We pull specialized articles from sources that students would literally never engage with, discuss how to read such articles and how they can be misleading, and never make the connection to the kind of content that students actually absorb. Students are day-in, day-out learning from influencers and social media, and we're handing them articles from 2010 reprinted into textbooks and news posts they'd never have the patience to read, while continually reinforcing that cell phones are toys that are meant to stay out of the classroom and used in private or with small groups of friends.
The kids aren't alright, but that's not on them.
this generation grew up with tablets and iPhones, they have no idea how to do some incredibly basic tasks unless an app does it for them
Yep, I've been completely underwhelmed with what constitutes being "tech savvy" for a lot of people in that age range. For some of them, if it isn't a product (and a popular one), it's like it doesn't register for them. They think in terms of brands when it comes to technology.
Tech aside, I would love for schools at K-12 and at higher levels of learning to incorporate critical thinking and media literacy instruction. It would be an uphill battle though, probably at the very outset, but certainly after reactionary parents start noticing that their kids don't think just like them. For some reason, people seem to believe that school is just a glorified job training program, and that anything outside of that is off-limits, meaning, their kids are expected to come out believing the exact same shit going into school as when they come out. I view that as an education FAILURE if a student comes out believing exactly what their parents believe in the end without ever having questioned any of it. Of course, if children deviate even slightly from what their parents/pastor/community believes, the wingers think that is "indoctrination".
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Just a few years ago this generation was walking out of schools to protest our lack of action against climate change. The shift is crazy.
It was mostly the girls doing that, and they haven't gone as hard right.
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Secret republicans?
Everyone I know who listens to Joe Rogan is clearly Republican if they aren't stating it themselves.
Didn't Joe Rogan endorse Bernie Sanders at one point? The guy seems to be all over the map.
He endorses whoever likes him the most. He's a moron. And so are his remaining fans.
Someone on Lemmy yesterday insisted that he was actually smart. When I asked for evidence, they mocked me for asking for evidence. That's the level of intellect we're talking about here.
Agreed, but, to be fair, what constitutes "smart" is not really objective. It can mean different things to different people and the evidence to back it up may not be acceptable evidence to those you debate.
I wasn't the one insisting he was smart. It's not really up to me to define it. They did not. They decided instead to mock the idea of asking for evidence for something.
Edit: Also, I provided links with quotes and a video to show what a fucking idiot he is.
Yeah, I went through a Rogan phase years ago back when he endorsed Bernie. He definitely was a little controversial even back then. I stopped listing as he got more controversial. I tuned back in briefly for the Trump and Rogan interview just out of curiosity. I was shocked to see how far Rogan has fallen.
For context, I’m a Gen Z man. I’m really disappointed the way my fellow Gen Z men are going.
I’ve gone on my own political journey being raised pretty conservative and becoming liberal as I met more diverse people. So honestly maybe Rogan should have always been a red flag, but I did look up to him for a while. I really wanted him to be a progressive voice, but it’s blatantly obvious now he is just as bad as the rest.
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AFAIK he always claimed to be a centrist until a few days ago. I don't think he exactly endorsed Bernie, but he's said very nice things about him and his policies.
With dumbass hot takes like "You don't need vitamins. You just need to concentrate about the pump."
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My little sister actually dodged a date with one of these chucklefucks only a few days ago. I think they were supposed to meet on Friday for the first time, but she asked if they could meet this coming week because she was slightly freaking out about the implications of the election results… dude straight up admitted he was excited, and that he was a MAGA/MAHA (I had to look that up - apparently it’s “make America healthy again” (????????????)). Instablocked that fucker lmao.
I wonder how many start trying to hide their magabrain, their magagear, their media diet, etc...for the early part of dating.
If my experience is any indication, they won't be able to keep their yap shut about it for long, and....welcome to getting ghosted, swiped left on, and just generally having a very, very long dry streak. :)
That's why they want to remove all agency from women
Any woman who's terrified by the results needs to adopt South Korea's 4Ds policy. Let's see how these incels like an even smaller dating pool.
52% of white women voted for Trump. The Republican dating pool is large and won't be affected by 4Ds.
Leftist women joining 4D just means fewer LEFTIST relationships and fewer leftist families.
It will be hilarious to see republican men complaining about women staying abstinent as a direct result of their attacks on women’s rights.
In other words: brainless morons let Rogan take a dump in their skull. It's like the people that used to let Rush take a giant shit in their heads on the daily.
Remember how everyone was telling us how magical the next "generation" is? Yeah, I wasn't really buying it, either. I fucking hate that Maher is right about this kind of thing, though.
Maher is right about this...
Maher is an insufferable cunt who just hates all young people. Broken clock and all that... I couldn't take listening to him even like 4+ years ago, I can't imagine how much more annoying he's gotten as he gets older.
I can't believe he still has a show tbh I gotta wonder who tf is watching him
Other old people is probably a safe bet. If anything, his audience is probably hyped about how "Finally, somebody gets it and is talking about these damned young people!"
Cmon, you gotta admit Tom Sawyer is a jam.
Secret? What secret? Its been fucking obvious for the last 10 years!
There was a reason they dipped deep into social media and podcasts, Dems didn't understand this.
Less public / archived spaces as well. Videogame lobbies were rampant with Trump / MAGA messaging in 2019. Not sure what its like now as I quit all online gaming. Anyone 14-17 during that period who are now of voting age has likely gotten a massive dose of right wing propaganda.
That was Steve Bannons plan way back from 2015-16. He was the one to really push for indoctrinating the gamers and making gamer culture and maga anti-woke one in the same...
Now you can't even go into a single steam discussions forum for a new popular game without seeing multiple "go woke go broke" and "is this game woke?" posts... Makes me sick...
Oh, but she went on The View! So, she's all set.
2 percent is not the wave they want it to be. Especially not with 10 million Democrats staying home.
They underestimated the puppeteer who bought a social media for push hateful propaganda.
I think people also underestimate the amount of twitch streamers that are leaning right wing. Asmogold I think it the most popular one, but there are many others as well
Call them what they are : boys
But Lemmy told me Gen Z was going to save us all this election.
If only it was just Lemmy...I was being told by so many self-styled authorities that this generation had some kind of magical properties that no one that came before them has had, and just by virtue of "getting it" when it came to consuming things like social media (or something).
This is dumb. It's always been dumb. The target demo is the target; they aren't savvier than anyone else is that is a target. So when boomers were saying stupid shit about how Gen X "just gets it" when it comes to something like MTV, or the early days of the (privatized) 'net, that was just as stupid. MTV was a product and Gen X was the target demo, emphasis on target. The elitists quickly figured out a way to monetize the (privatized) 'net with some of the first target demo being boomers and Gen X.
It's no different today. Without serious education in critical thinking, this stuff is only weaponized against the target demo, they don't know shit about the new product any more than anyone else does.
Tbf Gen Z women showed up.
But in the same breath they said that Democrats were right to ignore young people's concerns because they don't vote.
If they're too insignificant to listen to, they're too insignificant to blame.
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I love how the picture is an attractive able bodied young white man with facial hair. I am so tired.
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