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Summary

Despite his conservative platform, Donald Trump made unexpected gains among Gen Z voters. Exit polls showed a shift, with young men favoring Trump by 2 points, a reversal from Biden’s previous lead.

Gen Z’s support for Trump may have been underestimated, as an Axios poll found nearly half of Gen Z voters lied about their vote, with young men more likely to support Trump quietly.

Trump connected with young men through appearances on popular podcasts and endorsements from social media influencers.

Disillusionment with the economy and frustration with the Democratic Party’s approach to working-class issues also drove some Gen Z voters to seek change, with Trump capitalizing on these sentiments.

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The only people this was a "secret" too are people who weren't looking or listening.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

It sucks how much people are ignoring this.

[–] CharlesDarwin 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, a lot of people - mostly people in a certain age range - kept saying how magical the younguns are, how media savvy and how morally upright they were, and how they were going to get things right where the stupid boomers, Gen X and Gen Y got it all wrong...

And while I'd like to believe that, I've seen little evidence of better instruction anywhere K-12 or in higher education about logical fallacies and teaching about a good media diet. Being able to install an app on your phone doesn't make anyone media savvy; these things are designed so nearly any idiot can use it.

Why anyone ever thought that "the kids" were going to be able to have a better filter than older generations is like assuming kids plopped in front of Saturday morning TV that was meant to PREY on them were more "media savvy" about that environment....sigh.

[–] LittleBorat3 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If anything the easy access to information and apps are a lower barrier of entry than in the past meaning you can be dumber and still participate.

I don't want to shit on an entire generation but I am also not so impressed. This is a historic thing though where people don't think highly of younger generations. One needs to be aware of this bias.

[–] CharlesDarwin 4 points 1 month ago

If anything the easy access to information and apps are a lower barrier of entry than in the past meaning you can be dumber and still participate.

Yes, exactly this. I'm old enough to remember the Eternal September and the inherent assumptions built into that criticism - prior to that, the Internet population tended to be skewed toward very smart people in the engineering/technique kind of sense, but also I would say quite a few were lacking in emotional intelligence and/or wisdom as well and it would be hard to argue they were any better at critical thinking and/or media literacy. I remember people lamenting how "easy" AOL made it ( ironically, probably something quite a few of our "tech savvy" younger generations of today might find way too onerous to bother with, LOL).

But I certainly do chuckle at the notion that "kids just know tech better" just by virtue of using a touch interface from early childhood and having intimate knowledge of a few branded platforms. I mean, UX, when it comes to commercial software products, is about making sure people are not breaking their brains on using those products. They are specifically designed so even the dumbest (usually with a "but can your mother/grandmother understand it" kind of discussion by the builders) in the population can use it. Familiarity with a product/platform is no more "tech savvy" than knowing all about Nike makes someone a top athlete.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm a highschool teacher. This generation of students isn't even more tech savvy, let alone media savvy. Your exactly correct about the design of modern technology; this generation grew up with tablets and iPhones, they have no idea how to do some incredibly basic tasks unless an app does it for them, and they no understanding of really core - and in my mind simple - computer use concepts like what a folder is, or how find a file on a device and attach it to an email.

We've begun teaching media literacy in the highschools, but it's unfortunately falling into the pitfalls or most education. We pull specialized articles from sources that students would literally never engage with, discuss how to read such articles and how they can be misleading, and never make the connection to the kind of content that students actually absorb. Students are day-in, day-out learning from influencers and social media, and we're handing them articles from 2010 reprinted into textbooks and news posts they'd never have the patience to read, while continually reinforcing that cell phones are toys that are meant to stay out of the classroom and used in private or with small groups of friends.

The kids aren't alright, but that's not on them.

[–] CharlesDarwin 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this generation grew up with tablets and iPhones, they have no idea how to do some incredibly basic tasks unless an app does it for them

Yep, I've been completely underwhelmed with what constitutes being "tech savvy" for a lot of people in that age range. For some of them, if it isn't a product (and a popular one), it's like it doesn't register for them. They think in terms of brands when it comes to technology.

Tech aside, I would love for schools at K-12 and at higher levels of learning to incorporate critical thinking and media literacy instruction. It would be an uphill battle though, probably at the very outset, but certainly after reactionary parents start noticing that their kids don't think just like them. For some reason, people seem to believe that school is just a glorified job training program, and that anything outside of that is off-limits, meaning, their kids are expected to come out believing the exact same shit going into school as when they come out. I view that as an education FAILURE if a student comes out believing exactly what their parents believe in the end without ever having questioned any of it. Of course, if children deviate even slightly from what their parents/pastor/community believes, the wingers think that is "indoctrination".

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 2 points 1 month ago

Kids should be forced to go through what I did to get on the Internet. Learn how modems work. Type A:\install.exe and swap out a dozen floppies before you play that new game you love. (While you're waiting you can read the manual.) Want a porn video? Learn how to use a downloader and be prepared to wait a few days. Want a new machine? Build it yourself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I have written and moderated courseware for education students focusing on digital literacy. A requirement for graduation, pass/fail. I was so excited to start the project. I was so disappointed by the end.

The teachers to-be had very little digital literacy overall, and very little ability to recognize that or care. Too many passed, by design of the department heads. It was saddening to realize that most of them were headed out into the world with indifference to social media processes and little ability to recognize digital manipulation, and to share that indifference with children.

[–] Eatspancakes84 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just a few years ago this generation was walking out of schools to protest our lack of action against climate change. The shift is crazy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was mostly the girls doing that, and they haven't gone as hard right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I actually disagree. They're the same kids. The problem isn't that this is a different demographic, or even that the same demographic has suddenly become malicious and ill-meaning. It's that that's not how they see Trump. They're not as educated on his past actions, being too young to vote and therefore too young to care during the 2016 or even the 2020 election cycle. They're bombarded day-in, day-out by news media and social media giving them conflicting information. For many of them, their beliefs boil down to "well, my parents seem to think Trump is good for the economy, and there's too much other stuff to pick through," and a single-issue voter is born.

Others are simply tired of standing for morally and ethically good issues, only to be constantly told that, as young men or white people, they're the issue. When you fight for someone else for so long and are still met with people who blame you for being born just because you seek a deeper understanding (as one 16 year old student in my class recently did when he tried to ask what the problems with Trump genuinely are), it becomes easy to fall into the political sports team paradigm.

And these are far from the only two reasons. But we have to try an understand that the same students who want the environment saved are the ones who vote Trump, because no other option speaks to them.