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Summary

Ahead of the 2024 election, Generation Z has sparked a trend on TikTok, “canceling out” family members’ votes by voting opposite their Trump-supporting relatives. Many young women post videos showing them voting for Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, contrasting with family members supporting Republican nominee Donald Trump.

Although Gen Z voters lean slightly toward Harris, a significant portion supports Trump. With over 47 million early votes cast, polls show a tight race, especially in key swing states.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes 151 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Very good way to frame voting to make it obvious it matters.

One person litters, you see a water bottle on the ground. Everybody litters, your town sucks. Tragedy of the commons takes an extra mental thinking to act on in day to day life.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Yes and/but you might be interested to know these things about the “Tragedy of the Commons”:

Elinor Ostrom, awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2009, fundamentally challenged the “tragedy of the commons” theory, which Garrett Hardin popularized in 1968. Hardin’s theory argued that shared resources—like grazing land or fisheries—inevitably suffer from overuse because each user, acting in self-interest, seeks to maximize personal gain. Without external regulation or privatization, Hardin claimed, such resources would degrade irreparably.

Ostrom’s work provided a different perspective based on extensive field research across diverse communities managing shared resources, such as forests in Nepal and fisheries in Turkey. Through these studies, she found that local groups often developed effective, self-governing systems to sustain and share resources equitably. Ostrom identified eight core principles, such as clear resource boundaries, community-devised rules, local monitoring, and graduated sanctions for rule violations, which contribute to sustainable communal resource management. By documenting these successful cases, she demonstrated that, under certain conditions, communities could avoid the “tragedy” without privatization or top-down control.

Ostrom’s insights reshaped economic thinking by showing that cooperation, rather than competition alone, could lead to sustainable resource use. Her findings emphasize that real-world communities often solve commons problems through trust, local knowledge, and shared governance, challenging the idea that only private ownership or government intervention can manage common resources effectively. Ostrom’s approach has since inspired policies and frameworks for resource management across environmental, urban, and even space governance contexts, as her principles underscore the potential of collective, decentralized solutions to common-pool problems.

Her work offers an empowering view of human capacity for self-organization, contradicting the inevitability of Hardin’s “tragedy” and suggesting new possibilities for addressing global commons issues like climate change and biodiversity loss. This impact has encouraged rethinking in fields ranging from political science to ecology and economics.

Sources:

• Inside Story, “The not-so-tragic commons”

• Resilience, “The Victory of the Commons”

• Space Foundation, “The Commons Solution”

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Also Hardin was a white nationalist and pushed his “tragedy of the commons” theory as a justification for eugenics.

So every time someone references his pseudoscience, they’re breathing life back into a dead fascist’s racism. Yaaaaayyy…

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[–] logi 10 points 2 weeks ago

The distinction between "government regulation" on one hand and "community-devised rules, local monitoring and graduated sanctions for rule violations" on the other seems entirely artificial to me. In both cases rules and enforcement are set up to avoid the tragedy. The latter just uses more feel-good words to describe local government.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

We as a country need to mentally prepare ourselves to owe an absolutely massssssssssive debt of gratitude to The Women.

[–] PugJesus 82 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Saving our dumb collective ass again. As usual in elections at least within my fucking lifetime, women and ethnic minorities prove that they understand the values of America better than the ultra-fragile white conservative men who think they own this place by virtual of sex and race.

[–] kellyaster 19 points 2 weeks ago

It's easier to get behind and push for those American values when you realize you aren't really equal -- not because of anything you did, but because you simply exist. It's hard to not feel bitter about it, especially when part of the population wants you dead and is actively trying to persuade everyone else to get on board.

But we see our allies, we know who is standing up for us. We stand with you, for everyone's sake. Together we can overcome this.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus 38 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Up here in Canada as well. Almost exactly half of men, across all age groups, say they play to vote for the Cons. Last I saw it was 20% of women voting Con. I am incredibly embarrassed at my fellow men.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Polievre wants to defund the CBC, build more oil pipelines and continue the expansion of city suburbs. No way I'd vote for that guy. The only good thing I've seen him say is that there should be more competition in the telecommunications market, but it does not take much effort to point out a problem.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

There are so many issues with a Con government--like not even admitting climate change exists, that's not great--and you mentioned many others.

I'm honestly tired of women bailing us out in these elections though, so I cannot imagine what it's like for them to have to keep doing it.

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[–] banshee 11 points 2 weeks ago

Hell, we already wouldn't be here without them.

[–] TBi 11 points 2 weeks ago

We can only hope…

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

My parents would vote by absentee ballot. Dad would have them do it together at the table at the same time. If my mom wanted to vote differently, she'd never have been able to.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 104 points 2 weeks ago

My father use to send me into the voting booth with my mother to make sure she "remembered" who to vote for....no election officials ever stopped me from going in there and I was too young to understand that I was a spy. My father's not violent but I'm sure I wasn't the only child spy being used by men who were.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That sounds illegal. Domestic Abuse AND Voter Intimidation

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[–] Etterra 87 points 2 weeks ago

Let this be a lesson to everybody - don't marry a Republican.

[–] tired_n_bored 78 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Fuck. Gen Z should not "lean slightly toward Harris", Gen Z should be an overwhelming progressive and inclusive force.

Fuck Twitter and TikTok that fried men's brains with shit like Andrew Tate and similar things.

[–] nieminen 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't think you can blame Twitter and TikTok for that. People who like Tate's toxic masculinity incel garbage will find somewhere that feeds into their preferences.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think this is necessarily true when talking about modern social media

[–] tired_n_bored 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well the following is my unscientific belief:

Social media algorithms are studied to make you see always the same kind of beliefs and everything opposing them is discouraged. They incentive inflammatory, divisive and hateful content in order to obtain more engagement, especially on Twitter.

If they used Mastodon or Lemmy, those people would be less tense.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If they used Mastodon or Lemmy, those people would be less tense.

If they had more normies on it, maybe. But Lemmy seems to be composed primarily of the tensest people in the world to me.

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[–] JustARaccoon 11 points 2 weeks ago

I mean Harris and "progressive and inclusive" aren't necessarily one and the same, from the sounds of it it's Harris that should be pushing more progressive, but in the context of this election I agree they should be voting for Harris

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[–] citrusface 72 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Looking at the captions in the image...

How could you be married to someone who supports Trump if you don't also support Trump. This just doesn't make sense or even seem safe to me.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 weeks ago

Abuse.

Religion usually plays a part.

Accepting the fundamental differences in viewpoint and pretending it isn’t there for the sake of kids

Etc.

My partners family comes to mind. Her mother is very liberal, her dad is a weird mix of liberal beliefs polluted by religion. They just don’t talk about it, everyone knows he’s wrong, he knows he’s wrong, he won’t change his viewpoints and his wife isn’t willing to collapse their family over it.

[–] thesohoriots 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know someone in this circumstance, and it comes down to exactly one issue: abortion. The spouse is Roman Catholic and cannot support abortion, so despite disagreeing with most of the republican platform, they feel obligated to vote with the party that opposes it. I had the same thing crop up in 2008 with a roommate who was Greek Orthodox and in every way one of the most progressive people I knew, but they voted McCain purely on this one issue out of religious guilt.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The spouse is Roman Catholic and cannot support abortion

That is bullshit.

They can support abortion as much as they want, they don't want to support it.

I hate it when people say that they can't do X because their religion, be honest and say that you don't want to do X because they want to follow the rules of their religion.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most people don't think that much about politics.

A woman might have a husband who's generally a good guy and doesn't talk politics.

A few days ago he comes home and someone at work had been talking about how some Trump policy would be better for their industry. Husband is going to vote for Trump.

Woman Google's Trump, sees his abominable attitude towards women, sees tiktok about cancelling partners vote, votes democrat.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe, but it does say "Trump loving", not Trump voting. I acknowledge and don't hold too hard a grudge on people who don't pay much attention and only vote on stuff they think will affect them. I still consider it selfish, but I will acknowledge some people have enough issues in their life to not realize how bad it could affect others.

For instance, one of my sisters friends voted for Trump in 2016 because she is a small business owner and thought he would be better for her business. I don't know how she has voted since, and she's a black mother in FL, so I hope she's changed her mind.

Still, I have seen people make excuses for themselves that they have to be responsible for their employees as well etc etc, so someone with a not hateful mindset may make a decision those of us more informed or plugged into may realize is much worse for them either way.

Edit, forgot my original point. The above included I don't think would be considered "Trump loving", so I think by that statement she's saying he loves more than just a policy or two.

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[–] AquaticHelicopter 58 points 2 weeks ago

That's one of the things I like to tell friends or family I know that will say "Voting doesn't matter". I'll usually say something like, "Think of the most vile person on the opposite side. If you vote then you're negating their vote at a minimum. Because you know that extreme person is going to vote every time."

Doesn't always work since some people are stubborn but changed a few people!

[–] bitchkat 40 points 2 weeks ago

I can't cancel my parents out because they're dead. But they actually got more liberal as they got older and they would have canceled my sister's Wisconsin trump vote.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

we all vote as a family and laugh about what our net vote is. been like this for decades. the olds only voted for trump once, which is a relief.

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[–] Ensign_Crab 26 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Huh. I thought young people never voted, so we could ignore their concerns.

Guess that was a fucking lie from people who just wanted to ignore young people's concerns.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It will take a while for us to get past the inertia of Boomers who have been gaslighting everyone for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Gen Z supports trump."

[Citation Desperately Needed[

[–] leadore 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/breaking-down-gender-gap-gen-z-politics-desk-rcna177155 about the poll results they're referring to in the article. Gen Z has the biggest gender gap of all the age groups, with women for Harris by a 33 point margin, but the men about evenly split between Harris and Trump.

If you think about the new voters coming of voting age for this election, it's been 9 years since Trump rode down the escalator to kick off his campaign. So they were too young to hear about or pay attention to a lot the unsavory stuff about him back then, like the Access Hollywood tape. For some reason, many Gen Z men find him appealing, but not Gen Z women. For instance today I saw this video of two Gen Z young women hearing the Access Hollywood audio for the first time. You can see how horrified they are (as most normal people were back when it first came out).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

I hope Gen Z shows up. I don't buy into poll results.

[–] LovableSidekick 18 points 2 weeks ago

Finally a great use of the word "cancel".

[–] RangerJosie 17 points 2 weeks ago

The kids are alright.

[–] suction 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Smells like Gen Z spirit

[–] RBWells 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Good thing we have lots of kids, so I as usual cancel out my husband's vote (if he even bothers this time, R but not enthusiastic about Trump) and all the kids align with me. It may not matter here, with the influx of racist northerners, but who knows?

ETA I have at least one who was not going to vote when it was the two old guys but will vote for Harris.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And this is why Congress tried to ban TikTok. Making a meme to encourage voting? Evil, disgusting, how dare kids want to vote?!

Only Facebook should encourage boomers to vote in hatred and bigotry, not TikTok encouraging someone to vote who was a victim of it!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

No it's not. It's because it, like other Chinese companies, are at risk of being browbeaten by their government into providing whatever information they have on American users to use as they wish. One can easily argue what kind of risk that actually poses, but that's why they're trying to ban it. Unless you have some sort of proof....

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[–] Letme 9 points 2 weeks ago

In 2016 it was the other way around, a lot of closeted people swung the vote. Thanks Hilary.

[–] cheese_greater 9 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck yeah, the young shall rise up to remove their Masters

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