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Gen Z commit to ‘canceling out’ their MAGA parents votes in new TikTok trend
(www.independent.co.uk)
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How could you be married to someone who supports Trump if you don't also support Trump. This just doesn't make sense or even seem safe to me.
Abuse.
Religion usually plays a part.
Accepting the fundamental differences in viewpoint and pretending it isn’t there for the sake of kids
Etc.
My partners family comes to mind. Her mother is very liberal, her dad is a weird mix of liberal beliefs polluted by religion. They just don’t talk about it, everyone knows he’s wrong, he knows he’s wrong, he won’t change his viewpoints and his wife isn’t willing to collapse their family over it.
I know someone in this circumstance, and it comes down to exactly one issue: abortion. The spouse is Roman Catholic and cannot support abortion, so despite disagreeing with most of the republican platform, they feel obligated to vote with the party that opposes it. I had the same thing crop up in 2008 with a roommate who was Greek Orthodox and in every way one of the most progressive people I knew, but they voted McCain purely on this one issue out of religious guilt.
That is bullshit.
They can support abortion as much as they want, they don't want to support it.
I hate it when people say that they can't do X because their religion, be honest and say that you don't want to do X because they want to follow the rules of their religion.
And abortion being legal doesn't mean shit for a Catholic.
No one's up in arms because non-Catholics eat meat during lent or don't believe in transubstantiation.
Their religious belief has no place in government. If they don't want to do it, then don't.
I 100% agree with the sentiment, but you can't really compare not following religious rituals and what the religious consider murder. The existence of injustice is enough to mean something to someone. That's how empathy works.
People get up in arms over the death penalty, and I don't think it's right to tell them that if they don't like it, just don't commit a capital crime or pay attention to scheduled executions.
The same for both Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, people are demonstrating and attempting to bring their beliefs to the government. The people who have true conversations about abortion see these as equivalent.
That is true of everything that isn't barred by the fundamentals of physics, and disingenuous and you know it.
You can murder people, you can enslave others, Hindus can slaughter and eat cows, etc, you just don't want to because it's illegal.
For most religious people the tenents of their faith are core to their being and not something they just kinda like. Otherwise they tend to deconstruct from their religion after the inertia runs out. That's why religion in the West is on a downward trajectory outside of Islam which is driven by immigration.
I fully support reproductive rights as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that the person outlined above single issue voting against abortion isn't looking at the other side as otherwise great but you have to accept a few sanctioned murders. You would probably be single issue voting if we had a modern Aztec government that was close to a utopia but practiced human sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl because it maintains prosperity.
Real laws are different though, they have a state sanctioned justice system that forces compliance.
Following a religion in the US is not regulated by law, but is a choice.
Sadly, groups of people are working to change this.
If a religion's rules do become proper laws then you can use "can't" correctly.
But they choose to subscribe to that religion and could choose to stop. They could choose to no longer make it core to their being.
That is exactly my point, this is similar to veganism/vegetarianism, it is a choice you want to make and continue to make.
And I get it, I have had the privilege of growing up mostly without religion, that obviously colours my viewpoint, but if people could accept that religion is a choice rather than a fact the world would be a way better place.
Can you really choose what you believe, though? Could you make yourself stop believing in gravity or anything else you truly believe in? Could you make yourself believe in flat earth if someone told you too? The mind isn't something so malleable that you get to pick and choose your beliefs like a salad bar. Religious beliefs are one of the hardest to change, with even those leaving organized religion ending up frequently still believing in a God of some kind.
I grew up in a religious household but open minded and science oriented, so I deconverted and consider myself an atheist. I whole heartedly agree that the world would be a better place without religion, it's the world's greatest con job, but let's not kid ourselves about the spectrum of the word choice here. It's a (lesser) reverse of the religious telling anyone that isn't heteronormative in any way that those are choices. It's all brain chemistry occurring in a black box that we know vanishingly little about for how much we have studied it.
That is a fair point, and I am not asking to change any persons beliefs, I just think it is a copout to blame X for taking away your agency when you want it taken away.
I don't think they are blaming their religion for their voting in so much as outlining that their convictions that are informed by/in line with their religion (life begins at conception) makes abortion their largest single issue. Those of honest conviction see abortion as murder, and specifically murder of a baby, and that trumps the rest of the ticket. There are plenty of grifters and hypocrites on that side too, but I would hazard that the "silent majority" on the right are the sincere convictions type.
Most people don't think that much about politics.
A woman might have a husband who's generally a good guy and doesn't talk politics.
A few days ago he comes home and someone at work had been talking about how some Trump policy would be better for their industry. Husband is going to vote for Trump.
Woman Google's Trump, sees his abominable attitude towards women, sees tiktok about cancelling partners vote, votes democrat.
Maybe, but it does say "Trump loving", not Trump voting. I acknowledge and don't hold too hard a grudge on people who don't pay much attention and only vote on stuff they think will affect them. I still consider it selfish, but I will acknowledge some people have enough issues in their life to not realize how bad it could affect others.
For instance, one of my sisters friends voted for Trump in 2016 because she is a small business owner and thought he would be better for her business. I don't know how she has voted since, and she's a black mother in FL, so I hope she's changed her mind.
Still, I have seen people make excuses for themselves that they have to be responsible for their employees as well etc etc, so someone with a not hateful mindset may make a decision those of us more informed or plugged into may realize is much worse for them either way.
Edit, forgot my original point. The above included I don't think would be considered "Trump loving", so I think by that statement she's saying he loves more than just a policy or two.
my brother in law is voting trump. ugh.
So is mine.
The funny part? He's a union guy, doesn't understand (despite repeated attempts to show) that Trump is anti-union. I'm sure the key component for him is really just some of that good old fashioned bigotry.
Which is also silly since he's Cuban, and got some Testosterone shots recently (you know - gender affirming care).
He's just clueless and won't change his mind.
honestly mine is a pretty boy duche who would have completely fitted into frat life if he had went to university. Hes like a wannabe of the folks who might do well under trump (although history has shown even rich people do better under democrats as under republicans they get a larger percentage of a shrinking pie)
He may be a union guy, but he’s no Union Man.
Shameful... The union members who fought and died for his right to be a member would be sickened by the idea of supporting someone like Trump (politics aside, even if you just look at his history refusing to pay workers and bragging about it).
I read that JD Vance crossed a picket line to do a rally or something a week or so ago. When I was younger, that shit would get you killed in a union town (possible hyperbole, they'd probably just break your legs and boot you out of town). Nowadays nobody bats an eye. It wasn't even in the news, I only read about it in my union newsletter.
Regardless of the election result, there will be a shit-ton of divorces incoming over the next 12 months because of it.
Well, the GOP literally wants to outlaw no fault divorce, so they better do it quick.
People change.
One possibility is that they got married before Republicans lost their minds, and now they are trapped.
TIL: Trump voters are violent wife beaters
Lemmy, always there to educate me
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