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“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are several much better systems than first past the post. Unfortunately that’s the reality at present for this election.

If Trump gets in there will be no calls for restraint at all and indeed full throated support for the destruction of Gaza and potentially the wider region.

[–] clutchtwopointzero 1 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the mid western american voter could care less about the pain overseas

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 days ago (17 children)

What now "genocide" folks?

Still think Trump is the better choice for Palestine and Gaza??

[–] Pilferjinx 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

Oh I know. It was to call them out.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

God. I can't believe how the bots are shifting the Overton window and how successful they are.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF 1 points 1 day ago

James Baker probably would disagree.

James Baker and the White House Telephone

13th of June 1990

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcALMO5wf4

0:45

[–] LovableSidekick 6 points 1 day ago

Boggles my mind that anybody intends to vote for Trump not Harris because they think he'll be better for Palestine.

[–] Sam_Bass 16 points 2 days ago

Disconnection From Reality #29874

[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 days ago (12 children)

If you are an American voter and you sit this one out or vote 3rd party and Trump gets in you are directly supporting escalation and taking whatever little restraint away that Netanyahu is feeling from the USA.

Instead of calls for restraint you will have cheerleading from the sidelines.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_ 7 points 1 day ago

Lemmy right-wing: Biden is too soft on Netanyahu!

[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 days ago (43 children)

C'mon enlightened lefties! Come on and tell me how you won't be voting for genocide and we should follow so the Democrats figure out through losing the election that they should court lefties. Nevermind we get 4 years of, "he's doing a good job" as long as Democrats learn to denounce genocide.

C'mon you fucking cowards, get in here and sell me on how Trump winning helps solve your single issue voting on genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm voting for Harris. She shouldn't be supporting genocide and neither should you.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Absolutely no disagreement there. I don't condone genocide, and think we should do something about it but I'm not foolish enough to think not voting for the lesser of two evils accomplishes this. We are in agreement.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 days ago (2 children)

it’s quite different from Trump’s bombastic rhetoric: He has repeatedly said that Israel has to “finish the job.” The former president’s Friday comments appear to be an attempt to paint Biden, and by extension, Harris, as being less supportive of Israel than him

Trump wants genocide escalated and completed on a faster timetable. If you don’t think that includes the West Bank in the long-term plan, you’re being naive.

Biden is trying to get a ceasefire deal from a madman. Harris needs to win the election and can’t if Israel turns against her. Trump actively wants to commit accelerated genocide on Palestinians.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

*Anyone who is pro-Palestine and is thinking about not voting or voting for anyone other than Harris, just to be clear.

The foundational lesson of the trolley problem is not about the effects of the two options, it's that not pulling the lever is a choice too.

Third-party voters, I know the psychological reaction to being told you "have to" vote for Harris causes you to dig in further, to be more contrarian. I know the feeling. So to be clear, you don't have to do anything. But we can't escape the ethical and moral effects of a choice not to mitigate harm. The dominos are lined up, pushing the one that says "Stein" or "No choice" will cause the one that says "Trump" to fall, it's as simple as that. Our moral culpability doesn't end at the ballot box, it ends at the end of rational foreseeability.

The right takes an oversimplified view of reality to avoid confronting complicated truths. Don't be the same by thinking if we ignore a difficult moral choice, it goes away. Trump is telling you what he plans to do. Stopping him is a moral imperative if you want to save as much life as possible.

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[–] errer 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This dumb fuck is gaining in the polls.

I just…can’t anymore

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that the polls right now are also being flooded with right wing aligned groups

https://flood-watch.vercel.app/

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[–] brucethemoose 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (37 children)

From a purely strategic perspective, is this wise of Trump?

My impression is that even many American Jewish people don't like Netanyahu. And he doesn't need to remind anti-Harris protest voters that he's even more anti Palestine. Many MAGA diehards don't even like Netanyahu.

Like... who is he appealing to? Older Republicans, I guess, who remember Israel's early days?

[–] someguy3 68 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He's appealing to people that hate Muslims.

[–] themeatbridge 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And people who think the rapture starts with a holy war in Jerusalem.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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