Illegitimate court, almost half were appointed by the accused and should not even be hearing this case. We are teetering on a dictatorship and this court is pulling the steering wheel even more that direction. I, for one, do not recognize any ruling from these corrupt judges.
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Three were appointed, which is 1/3rd of the nine justices. However, to me the most relevant figure is that five of the nine were appointed by GOP presidents that got into office losing the popular vote (Roberts & Alito by GWB, and Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and ACB by Trump).
These justices, the majority of the court, do not and have never represented the US either by vote or ideology (even secondarily via the presidential/nominating vote), yet they are lifetime-appointed positions with unparalleled power over our lives and the continued existence of American democracy. They can choose to allow Trump to crown himself king, but they are already an effective monarchy.
Roberts has been concerned about the Court's legitimacy the last decade. He should be - it isn't legitimate.
Roberts doesn't give a flying fuck about his Court's legitimacy. He cares about the appearance of his Court's legitimacy.
Yes, sorry, that's the better way to put it.
To him, it's the same thing, because if the Supreme Court loses the appearance of legitimacy, they themselves have no practical means to enforce their decisions.
Unless they have a dictator-president and ineffective congress.
It feels a lot like they’re getting for that possible outcome—so they have a sympathetic king when the time comes.
The Supreme Court is illegitimate because of what you said. By association, the presidency is also illegitimate. And since the Senate is undemocratic and Congress should have a couple thousand folks in it rather than 435, both of those are illegitimate.
Thankfully, they still have the monopoly of violence.
Congress should have a couple thousand folks in it rather than 435
This is exactly it. This is what hamstrings the will of the majority and lends relevance to these lunatics we're having to endure.
Many revere our founders, and I'm quite sure if they could comment on this mess they'd say something like "There are how many millions of citizens? And you stopped adding representatives at 435? That's the problem. Why?"
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It’s an absolute clown show not based on law but on bribes, influence, and political alignment.
Tale as old as time.
SCOTUS should not have taken the case. Full stop.
Take it, laugh at the arguments and vote 9-0, maybe. Just get it settled.
I knew this SCOTUS was a joke, but this is unbelievable even for them. I cannot fathom that I've lived to see the day that a former president's lawyer argues that the sitting president ought to be able to perform political assassination and any number of justices, let alone a near, majority say "well that makes sense to me lol".
This is just the natural development of unchecked conservatism, a plague long overdue for a cure.
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republicans would be happy with the appearance of democracy - just like russia. Theres multiple names on the box, but you know the votes aren’t counted. trump would conveniently win every time. Strangely just like putin does.
It's not a new observation that the GOP and Russia are on the same page about a lot of things; what isn't settled is what will be done about it
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Me, a layman: GEE I WONDER IF SWEARING TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION MEANS HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DESTROY IT.
In all caps.
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If the Court decides that the President has unbound authority then why shouldn't Joe Biden shoot Donald Trump with a gun? It's not illegal when the President does it!
Biden could also argue that trump was a threat to America and its democracy.
He wouldn't be wrong.
Or maybe Biden could just have Seal Team 6 take out several Supreme Court Justices?
Came here to say this. I wonder how Trollito would answer that very direct question?
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Even if it's not illegal, and even if Joe Biden was okay with it ethically, politically he'd be turning Trump into a martyr and giving the right a lot of propaganda with which to incite civil war.
My guess, based on messaging to their base, they've already planned for this.
Stop saying this. They'd forget about him in 6 months
If he loses the election, sure. If he ends up in prison, sure. If Biden kills him?
Nah, they'll forget about him when Fox News and the rest of the oligarchs decide using him as a martyr is no longer useful for stirring up civil unrest and solidifying their own power.
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I like how media always uses soft, snuggly words like "shameful" instead of real words like "fucking corrupt to the core and illegally installed".
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You gotta love the brazen, balls-to-the-wall craziness of the "accountability leads to lawlessness" argument. Especially coming from the supposed religious party, it's a stunning assertion, devoid of morality or even a sense of direction. It's just another version of the stupid fucking "too big to fail" argument.
The argument is this: Yes, the people in charge have committed crimes, but they're the top of the food chain now. If we take them out, there will be a power vacuum - the very chaos we are supposed to prevent! (no it's fucking not, retards, THAT's just the free market in action, you know, the thing you always masturbate about, you're supposed to be protecting these enterprises from falling into criminal behaviour, incentivising correct behaviour, and generally FIXING SYSTEMS not making them worse)
Idiots. What use preserving a corrupt system? It's just an admission that they're paying you. "Why would I change it now that I'm in a position to benefit from it?" Here's why: accepting money to hurt your own people is TREASON. Put that shit in your pipe and smoke it.
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Cowabunga it is then. I believe this is that part about the tree of liberty needing the blood of patriots or something.
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If Biden has absolute immunity after a ruling to that effect, he would be within that authority to have the justices that voted for that rounded up and shot, then appoint a Supreme Court that will reverse it.
I would love to see it.
He won't, though. Repubs have counted on Dems to abide by the spirit of the rules even while they obstruct and dismantle everything with zero regard for a functioning democracy. The Dems would all be desperately reaching across the aisle for a compromise up until they are executed in the afternoon on January 20th.
True, but could you imagine if he went completely off the rails after a ruling like that? Sets up a guillotine in front of Congress and starts marching Republicans out one after one.
I'd watch the fuck out of that on Pay-per-view.
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This illegitimate "supreme" court needs to be dismantled and rebuilt with normal justices. There is no place in a modern culture for conservatism or any other hate-based, oppressive ideology.
Conservatives should not be permitted to participate in government at any level. They seek only to control others and destroy progress. We should be speaking openly about the deadly dangers of conservatism and should exclude such toxic lifestyles from polite society.
Court expansion is the only straightforward way. Put the corrupt ones in minority.
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normal justices
I'll believe one when I see one. The profession is simply drowning in Federal Society freaks and Ivy League snobs.
Conservatives should not be permitted to participate in government at any level.
They've got a plurality, at least in the economic strata that control all the material wealth. I don't know how they stop participating in government while still retaining control of all this property.
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With a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice, more people would have been driven to the polls. More people voting equals more democratic votes.
How we vote is controlled at the state level, so why haven't blue states passed electoral reform? Don't the democrats want more votes? Why would the democratic party say no to these extra votes?
Is keeping 3rd parties from joining the table worth sacrificing the nation to the Republican's nightmare?
Electoral reform won't make blue states more blue. More people turning out doesn't matter if they're already voting for you, so you gain nothing. It would result in minor parties getting elected more often, which would weaken the power of the DNC. Obviously, the DNC doesn't want that.
You are correct, the objective of ranked choice voting is not to empower the two existing parties. It is to create a system that it amenable to having more than two parties so of course the powers that be who benefit from that system don't want that - which is why it needs to be pressed because the two major block parties increasingly obstructionist and diverging will eventually cause a civil war. Smaller parties allow for more nuanced takes requiring cross party concensus and break up the stratification. If the game of democracy ends the Dems will end up with their heads on a plate so whatever kickbacks they receive from the status quo won't be worth jack.
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You guys don't get it yet? They all talk, they coordinated not to pass it then decided who can vote what to piss off the least amount of their constituents. That's it, it's all politics.
The fact that your supreme court is even willing to deal with the question of whether a president should have absolute immunity pretty much says it all.
True, but not hearing it would piss off the retarded half of the country. So they hear it, everyone panders to whoever they need, and here we are. This country is completely broken, both sides are garbage, it's all a show so they can get away with whatever they want and feed us just enough to keep us from rising up in any productive way. We are just the herd, we don't matter, we are a byproduct and we cultivate their money and lifestyle. They just can't tell us that openly. Even "voting", they will keep gerrymandering to keep it close. The dems will allow them to because dispite being widely more popular in the popular vote, they need the Villan of the Republicans to keep pushing things to the right to keep their game going. If they fought it, then someone would come along further to the left and the jig is up. Look what they did to Bernie, the only genuine candidate in my lifetime.
I don't think very many people realize just how broken we are, and it is beyond any diplomatic way of fixing. We either ride the ship while it sinks or take the helm at this point. Capitalism+Citizens United+legal lobbiests/bribes+Insider trading allowed by congess members= you're gonna have a bad time. And the only people that can change it is congress themselves, so they as a whole need to decide to cost themselves millions and millions of dollars. Never gonna happen peacefully. Nothing surprises me with the Supreme Court. Or any other politician. They are actually human garbage scum of the earth willing to lie, cheat, and steal. Willing to back a country that is blowing up children and hospitals so they can make some money from arms dealers. Fuck them all. They are a stain on the history of humanity.
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Has anyone asked Trump that he believes if Biden want to execute him and his allies RIGHT NOW, it would be totally ok and Biden should get full immunity as well?
Exactly. If they vote in any way that gives Trump the power he asks for, Biden could do all sorts of shit. Including arresting members of the supreme court.
They always carefully qualify it as long as it's for official actions.
That way, they can say anything Trump (or whatever future republican president) does is justified official business but they can't share details because it's classified, but if a dem does it, it's not official business and not justified.
They're just setting up the gaslighting. Their playbook is so fucking obvious.
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If we ever get to the point where he gets placed above the law as our president, there's only one thing to do. I'll say no more.
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Just saying, if 45's acts are deemed political activity protected from prescription, 46 is still in office and is handed carte blanche to engage in all manner of unseemly counterfuckery. At the extreme, I believe Seal Team Six was mentioned, but I'm sure Biden could find lots of fun and creative ways to abuse unfettered executive power.
The lawyers literally said that if the assassination is done for personal gain, but "as an official act", then it should fall under immunity.
The simplest solution is to remove a couple of conservative justices. Anybody could do it.
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Pretty obvious that they have no shame. Just like trump.
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