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I am looking for a name for an idea that I have for a website. It is a niche hobby, but there is a greek word for it that most people don't know. Lets say its a book club and the word was Bibliophile or a music club called Melophile.

Would you, if you did not know the meaning, think of it as something sexual, or maybe even something bad? I am nervous that users might relate it to pedophile even though that is just one of, (but maybe best known) philias there are

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[–] ad_on_is 62 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When I hear "audiophile", I truly never think about licking the banana-plugs, so nope.

There are also some popular YT channels like Computerphile and Numberphile

[–] mPony 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

to be frank, "Numberwang" is more titillating than "Numberphile"

[–] yemmly 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Let's rotate the board!

[–] cam_i_am 9 points 8 months ago

Cinephile is another common term.

[–] cosmicrookie 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah another user mentioned those two too. The interesting part is that they have used a mixture of english and greek. For example Numberphile uses the enlish word "number" instead of the proper Arithmophile. I wonder if this is to make it easier to understand

[–] CoggyMcFee 13 points 8 months ago

The reason that a linguist would give is that -phile has become a somewhat productive suffix in English, so it is not constrained to Greek roots.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, because I know what the suffix means.

[–] cosmicrookie 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

But this is my question. The suffix means "to like" but this can be a good and a bad thing, depending on what the prefix is, like mentioned in the description. If you did not recognize the prefix would the average user assume the suffix to be sexual or negatively charged?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Well, I don't think there is anything inherently sexual about the suffix, so no. But can't speak for the average user.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I dunno. Does this sound sexual to you?

Barantaphile

[–] Delphia 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just remember that the average Lemmy user is a bit more literate than the average kneejerk reaction idiot. Id say theres nothing wrong with it but you can probably come up with something a little more catchy and clever if you put your mind to it.

[–] cosmicrookie 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think you are right. I might go with a mixture of English and Greek like an other user mentioned (computerphile, numberphile, bookphile) even though they are not proper.

[–] daddyjones 9 points 8 months ago

I honestly think Bibliophile is used commonly enough that most people would understand it. Not quite as much as Audiophile, but you do hear it. It also sounds, info, much better than Bookphile.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Phile is pretty much the best known greek suffix out there. It gets tagged onto most hobbies, so you don't have to worry about it being defaulted to sexual matters. Tbh, most of the paraphilias are so obscure that nobody without an interest in the field is going to know them the way -phobias are. I mean, can you name the other chronophilias besides pedophilia? Did you even know that there were others? Most people really only know one or two sexual-philias at most, where they'll have heard of a dozen or so non sexual ones.

But, just tacking phile or philia onto a word can be clunky, so you might end up with it not working well anyway.

[–] cosmicrookie 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah I shared a link in an other comment about this. There seem to be quite a lot, and most of them end with "philia". This is also my main concern. That most will have heard the suffix used with one of those

https://lemmy.world/comment/8887844

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

“Audiophile” has never before brought to mind the concept of “pedophile”.

In fact, note the way we shorten the word: “pedo”.

I wouldn't worry about it. But I’m autistic, so the way my brain processes these words might be different than an NT’s brain.

Mostly I think it’s only going to be a problem for people who are looking for trouble, and you can’t really avoid problems with those people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is audiophile. It refers to someone who is obsessed about audio quality.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Theres also Audiophilic content too, and yet if you say you're an audiophile no one mistakes it to mean you listen to audio porn. Context is going to be king with that suffix I wager.

[–] HootinNHollerin 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That's a large group though.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It really depends. I think -phile tends to make me think non-sexual, and -philia makes me think sexual. Probably just because of how the words are used.

People tend to be willing to describe themselves as an x-phile, but psychological or legal literature are more likely to say something like "a person with x-philia" or "displaying traits of x-philia".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I suspect the part with descriptions in literature is due to it being in a 3rd person. There seems to be a recent-ish trend though for people to refer to themselves in a 'person who has X' sense though to separate the person from the condition so maybe that changes.

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[–] rustyfish 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I assume the people who automatically think of something negative or sexual when hearing the word „phile“ are the same people you don’t want to associate with in the first place. Their opinion is worthless and can be ignored. Don’t waste your time with other people’s ignorance.

[–] cosmicrookie 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'd agree with you, but if it is for the purpose of educating people, I wouldn't want to scare them away because they would feel its a risky click when linked to...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd simply guess "lover, liker, fond of", without any obligatory sexual connotation. Even if I don't recognise the first part, as in... say, "wugphile" ("wug" is just a nonsense placeholder).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you created a page called "Wugphile" I would totally think it was about linguistics :D

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[–] weeeeum 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I have some interest in chemistry and after a while when I hear "phile" my first thought is "they are attracted to water".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Hydrophilic!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if this is international but it's a common joke in British media to use this as a bit of a joke, for example a geeky character might say that they're a bibliophile, and the dumb character will make it sexual.

[–] NightAuthor 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Random dude I was talking to mentioned he was a “heliophile” mid-conversation about weather. Dude thought he was so smart, cuz apparently no one ever knows what he means when he uses that term. He joked about people sort of recoiling at the sound of the word.

Anyway, I’d heard of helio and phile…. So he likes the sun. Uh, cool.

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[–] AgentGrimstone 6 points 8 months ago

Not necessarily, it depends on whether I recognize the first part of the word. For example, I dont immediately think "audiophile," is negative or sexual in nature.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There's only two words with the 'phile' ending that is sexual that I can think of. But audiophile, videophile, and a host of others use that ending in the context of a preference or attraction: nemophile has nothing to do with animated fish, for instance. Hemophilia is another example of a commonplace word that is definitely not sexual.

I want to think the average person knows there's no sex in halophilia, but we could be overestimating.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] fubo 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

"one who pays too much for speaker cables"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

A true audiophile can tell the difference between when its wound clockwise vs anticlockwise. /s

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[–] cosmicrookie 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Botanophile... my question is, what the average user who does not know the word or can guess it, will think of it. There is not doubt that it is not a sexual suffix, but if the reader does not recognize it, would they think it was?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nah, I just assume it's someone that really likes something. Kind of like saying food-porn but even less sexual. Like Audiophile is common parlance that evokes no sexual meaning.

[–] ABCDE 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nah it's okay. Anglophile doesn't mean you want to bang me.

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[–] slazer2au 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I would understand that it just means a connoisseur of something, but you could always change the spelling to "file" to make it more digital-y and even less associated with problematic obsessions.

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[–] olsonexi 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No. There's plenty of common examples of that suffix being used in a non-sexual non-negative context. For example: someone who enjoys reading books is called a bibliophile, there's also the youtube channels Computerphile and Numberphile.

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[–] yemmly 3 points 8 months ago

Is it “furryphile”? Then yeah, they’ll think it’s sexual.

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