Women are screwed in states like Texas. This woman isn’t someone who was careless and doesn’t want to live with consequences. This is as clear cut and in line with the supposed exceptions as can be. She’s very fortunate that she can afford to go elsewhere. There are many woman who don’t have that same option. Absolutely horrible.
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Hopefully, she can afford to stay out of Texas. Her life and safety are at risk, as well as legal jeopardy from these shenanigans.
Yeah, if I were her I would never go back to Texas. Who knows if some jackass is going to try to make their career off of imprisoning her for getting an out of state abortion?
She’s welcome in Colorado. The right to an abortion is a state law and we have some upcoming ballot initiatives to make abortion access a right in the state constitution.
Sadly that's still a win for texas. One less vote against them.
It's not like we could get anyone to vote anyway. They had the opportunity to show up and didn't.
Just 45.7% of 17.7 million voters showed up.
I predict the same shenanigans for exceptions for rape. "You were raped? Ok let's wait for the conviction. It took too long and now you can't get an abortion? Teehee."
Fuck, it can even be a struggle for a woman to even be believed that she was raped. Especially in right leaning counties/cities/states. And also fight for an exception? I do wonder have any women been given a medical exception?
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I imagine it'll be more like:
"You were raped? Do you have a photo of yourself in the outfit you were wearing when you were raped? We need see if you were asking for it or not before we make that decision"
"Did you orgasm? It's a sin if you were raped and enjoyed it." Wait, that's for church.
If there was a line between the church and the state we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
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The idea that a woman has to prove to legal satisfaction that she was raped in order to get an abortion is so fucking sickening. There shouldn't be the same standard for a raped woman to get an abortion than there is to convict her rapist.
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I'm curious how the "but there's exceptions!" Crowd will try to spin this
They won’t, everything is working. Why would they spin “success?”
Exactly. The same way they're not spinning calls for a national abortion ban after years of "leave it up to the states."
For those wondering, the State’s Supreme Court is hardlining the Legislative language here.
While I don’t know medicine enough to give real percentages, the lower Judge ruled the abortion could continue because there was like a 70% or something chance of dying and the letter of the Texas law requires something along the lines of a 95% chance of death.
Again I don’t think one can attribute hard numbers, but the Supreme Court is saying that the laws indicate that only when death is pretty much assured can an abortion happen, which is a completely insane stance. And in this case death was only mostly going to happen, not absolutely going to happen.
Roughly speaking, the Texas Supreme Court basically said that the person needs to be closer to death than the defendant in this case. How much closer? The Court isn’t super clear, but clearly much more closer to death than this person was.
Because clearly taking pain and suffering into account is just beside the point at this point for Texas.
Because clearly taking pain and suffering into account is just beside the point at this point for Texas.
No, the suffering is the point. The entire "pro-life" "stance" is nothing more than an excuse to indulge in oppression.
Precisely correct. This married woman - who wants more children and is a clear case for an exception - couldn't be allowed an exception, because the whores need to be made to suffer for their poor choices.
We can't be muddying the waters with all this "nuance." The whores are going to pay in the state of Texas, and that will be that.
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Thanks for the simple to understand summary.
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Texas and Florida are both genuinely fucked in terms of any civil liberties. Guns have more rights here than most of the state.
This might turn out really funny even though it's horrible right now for a lot of people in Texas. All of the women are going to leave if they can, especially ones with money and an education. Then you're left with the poor people, a bunch of incels and/or white christians fighting over the women that are left. Have fun dumb asses.
Serious note: If you have a woman or family in your life that you care about or just want to help people, get them out of Texas.
This case confirms that Republicans will not allow exceptions for the mother's health. Paxton has now put into writing, as the state's legal argument, that the legal system can't go by what doctors consider reasonable. Because then someone could find a doctor who would probably grant it.
Hang this millstone around every Republican's neck. Ask every Republican if they agree with Paxton's death panels; if they agree that it's okay for the government to get involved and throw red tape when there's a >5% chance of death without a procedure. Ask them if they would like to rebuke Paxton. And ask what they'll do to make sure that can't happen in any state, including Texas -- or, if people should vote for a Democrat if they want this fixed.
Hold their feet to hot fucking coals until there's sear marks.
Nah, we'll just talk about how Biden is three years older than Trump for the next 11 months.
Or his stance on Palestine, or how he isn't just allowing Russia to steal Ukraine, or Hunter's dong, or any other fucking thing the media thinks they can use to turn the election into a horse race.
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When this sort of thing happened in Kansas, Kansas enshrined abortion rights in their constitution.
When this sort of thing happened in Ohio, Ohio enshrined abortion rights in their constitution.
Texas politicians want to fuck around, they will find out.
Only states which were controlled by progressives in the early 20th century have the ability for voters to use a ballot initiative to override the Legislature like that. Much of the country has no such safety mechanism.
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That's what they want, so they can solidify Texas as a red state for the next 20 years for voting purposes. Nothing else matters bcz this is all just a game to them.
That's probably true, but why should anyone put their wives, their kids or themselves at risk for voting purposes? This can be la life/death situation and isn't an ephemeral issue.
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Then you're left with the poor people, a bunch of incels and/or white christians fighting over the women that are left.
Did you mean to describe all of the south?
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Breaking news is that she has decided to secure her own health in another state.
The system is broken when you have to discuss your health with judges instead of a doctor.
That happened several hours ago, prior to the ruling.
Well hadn’t they already blocked the lower courts ruling?
Yes, but courts will do that kind d of thing on a temporary basis to prevent something irreversible from happening before they rule. Temporary blocks like that don't guarantee a particular final decision.
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As an outsider, it is absolutely wild that we're seeing refugees within the same allegedly developed country. I'm more convinced everyday the United states is a just a bunch of countries in a trench coat.
It's not really a new phenomenon. The book Albion's Seed goes into detail about how the country was put together by different groups of people with very different ideas about what it should be. Those fundamental disagreements define a lot of modern political conflict within the US.
It says it on the tin. United States. However, as with any group of entities all striving for power and being driven apart by outside forces, not so united these days.
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That image for this post sure looks like a death panel to me
The Texas Supreme Court is adding a blue tinge to Texas, whether they realize it or not.
Could also go the other way, if large numbers of women leave the state seeking better odds of surviving pregnancy.
It's worth pointing out that Texas already has really high infant and pregnancy mortality rates too.
Either Republicans get fucked in the polls, or Texas gets fucked. All the companies there will have to relocate if they want to attract and retain their professional employees. Or, they could have policies to aid people seeking an abortion, and dare the state to sue them for it.
Was that before the flight of any doctor whose practice could even touch on abortion? Because doctors are fleeing Texas and I don't blame them. If my state ruled that I could go to prison for 10 years and become a felon just for doing my job, I'd get out and go to a more welcoming state.
Sadly, this means that a lot of poorer people won't be able to get decent healthcare. Hopefully, before it gets too bad (relatively speaking) there's a political backlash that kicks the Republicans out of office.
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Misread it as "Toxic" instead of "Texas." Still accurate.
Seems like cons want Texas to be part of the Republic of Gilead.
The whole article is quite a dystopian read. Paxton's intervention into medical decisions is self-righteous, and a statement from an anti-abortion group that was so cruel I felt a little sick.
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