MisterFrog

Despite the unhappy circumstances, it's kinda nice Chinese and Americans interacting on social media.

The fact this isn't typically possible because of bans in China is not so nice. Neither is the fact the US is going down the same road instead of proper privacy laws.

But still, kinda nice

Hard disagree. It is SO much faster for me to read a digital number readout than a analogue one.

This isn't touch screen controls (which are terrible). It's a readout.

MM/DD/YYYY detected. Burn it with fire!

Well this is ironic. Something with Voyager, perhaps? I dunno.

It's the bugs bunny no meme, for style guides asking you to spell out numbers under 10.

Yeah not sure what happened to it :/ I uploaded it to Lemmy.world

Here it is again, just for you ;)

Not public posts, rather posts to anyone who you have added. Similar to Facebook

I'm happy with Lemmy and Mastodon as is as it's a different purpose.

I'm gonna investigate hubzilla further, cheers friend!

Hubzilla looks interesting, I'll give it a go, thanks!

Indeed, getting the network effect on your side is the hardest part.

But at least if something exists, we can make a start on converting people. And for me to be able to sell the experience, it'd be nice if I can say: hey join me on this network, it's like Facebook/Instagram, but the only people who will see your posts are your friends. Not even the server can see it.

(And ideally there's a sliding scale of how much it costs and various ways to host the content).

Currently, I haven't yet found an app that fits the description. I signed up for Movim, but encryption isn't default, and it's not entirely clear what exactly is being encrypted. Friendica is not e2ee either :/

No worries, appreciate you taking the time to engage.

Yeah, getting people to adopt something new is challenging, but I've had some success with Signal, and this is sadly a problem no matter what

The social connections wouldn't have to be in different buckets, the app would give you a timeline of all your contacts posts by default (default behaviour on Facebook and Instagram, with public posts and ads baked in), and sorting into various buckets would be a choice users would make. As we discussed under the hood every contact would be technically in a separate matrix room with you, but the user is just presented with a unified timeline of posts they can interact with.

In terms of group chats, this is a subjective question. I'd argue the fact people post on their pages formally on Facebook and more commonly now on Instagram is evidence that people don't only want to use group chats. To me, group chats are mostly useful in a small group, and I already have signal and other messengers for this purpose.

The idea here, and what I wish was still being maintained, is a way to connect with people on social media without being forced to invite people into specific groups, just add them, and then they can see whenever you post, and comment on your posts etc. Without the requirement for you to filter anything if they don't want to, nor join specific groups of people.

i.e. I add 10 different people, they make posts, I see said posts from all 10 people in chronological order.

The app could optionally provide ways to sort your friends however you like (a feature which also used to be present on Facebook, not sure if it still is), but it's the optionality that is attractive.

It's much lower friction to say: "Hey, add me on XYZ social media app". Rather than, "join this specific group", which may not be suitable. Which is exactly how Facebook and Instagram work (and people frequently ask to add me on there still).

I realise the demand for this to be e2ee is not large, hence the lack of clients. But I'd argue the demand for this style of social media is huge, evidenced by the existence of Facebook and Instagram, which largely sees people posting things only to their followers/friends - just with Meta data mining you and advertising to you.

Ok, I don't know how else to explain. What you are asking ("A public timeline that anyone can follow, except end-to-end encrypted") is physically impossible.

I never even said what you're quoting. I said a timeline anyone who you've connected with can follow. You're correcting me for something I haven't once asked for. I only tried correcting your misunderstanding of what I asked for.

How would keep a single timeline where the messages you sent are only visible to your friends, but not visible to your friends' friends?

The same way you can mass text people, and only the people you sent messages can see it but not each others responses? Unless they forward your messages, which there is no workaround, save for making it difficult with the UI. There doesn't need to be a way to prevent sharing your stuff. You choose to trust the people you add, there's no way around that.

The answer is: you don't. You can not do that. You need to have a separate room for the contacts that you want to make your pictures available. Your contacts need each to have their own room for the contacts that they need to have available.

Yes, I agree, in the backend. As mentioned, this is how Circles says it tackles the issue. And as mentioned, they will have a room each for every contact they add (in the backend).

To view the feed, yes you can consolidate all posts into one single view. But when you post something, you will need to define which rooms will see the content, and the message will be duplicated across the different rooms. You can bet that Futo does not gets rid of this abstraction.

No, I agree, Futo doesn't get rid of this abstraction, it's exactly how they do it in the back end.

I am asking for Facebook, but without the spying from Facebook, this is technically possible. It's been made, just sadly abandoned.

I don't know why you want to prove me wrong so badly: https://github.com/circles-project

Ah, you did not mention the renter part haha, I was considering how much each costs to buy