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Summary

Elon Musk faced backlash from his followers on X after advocating for importing “super talented engineers” to address a shortage in the U.S. tech industry.

Musk likened hiring top foreign talent to building a championship sports team and argues that there is a shortage of talented and motivated American engineers.

Critics argued there’s sufficient U.S. talent being overlooked or underpaid, with some pointing to widespread tech layoffs.

Musk dismissed claims of low wages or training gaps, maintaining a need for exceptional engineering talent to advance innovation.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 hours ago

Musk replied. "OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process. HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America."

I'Ve BuRnEd OuT aLl ThE WiLlInG nErDs hErE aNd I nEeD tO bUy SoMe FrOm OvEr ThErE1!1!

[–] Suavevillain 38 points 13 hours ago

Right-Wing bootlickers continue to learn they aren't in the in-crowd they desperately seek to join.

[–] RazTheCat 37 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

He's so fucking stupid. It's exhausting.

[–] CharlesDarwin 14 points 14 hours ago

Well, I'm not sure I'd call it stupid, exactly. He wants indentured servants, cheap. It's about accruing more power and wealth to himself.

Now, our government should be set up to STOP unregulated capitalism like this, but at this point, it's been captured by the capitalists, and they are basically there to give a huge assist to capitalists instead.

[–] atempuser23 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

He's not stupid. He's abusive. He knows what he's doing and why. He will save millions and keep the wages of his pool of talent depressed.

[–] Fades 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Bit of both, Mysk didn’t even complete his college degree. Being born into money does not, by default, correlate to intelligence

[–] Gammelfisch 19 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The Muskrat wants cheap engineers that will work like China's 9-9-6.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Well he saw that the only people willing to work at Twitter were extremely desperate to stay in the country

[–] TheFonz 21 points 15 hours ago

Globalism for me but not for thee

[–] Kbobabob 21 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

Do I really need to login just to view a comment?

[–] pyre 8 points 15 hours ago

why, would you rather have a less shitty internet?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

When I voted for the leopards ate my face party I didn't think that the leopards would eat their own faces ;)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Is there a shortage?

Or are you only looking at Bay Area hires because I see a great number of good and bad engineers in Midwest and eastern parts of the USA.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A shortage of engineers willing to work for Musk-led companies, maybe. Tesla is well-known in tech circles to have awful work culture. You can only survive with high turnover like that for so long before most American engineers know that there are much greener pastures.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

A shortage of engineers willing to work for Musk-led companies, maybe.

Not maybe at all. Every tech group I'm in would rather work fast food than do a 90 hour week under Musk.

I used to be in a group during the 2022-2023 era where we shared memes of recruiters who were trying to convince engineers to go to Twitter. The meme well dried up when all the recruiters were fired.

[–] Fades 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes there is a shortage, a shortage of workers who are unable to say no without being threatened with deportation and compensated with far lower non-competitive wages.

The industry is flooded with American workers though

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

There is becoming more and more of a shortage of good engineers who want to work for companies associated with him I am sure. All they have to do is read about his business practices.

He believes in overworking, underpaying, and is anti-unions because he knows they would fight against the wages, policies, and work practices he wants to force against people.

Elon Musk is anti-workers. And thus, since workers are the fabric of this nation.... Elon Musk is anti-america.

[–] CharlesDarwin 4 points 13 hours ago

I seriously doubt there is a shortage anywhere in the U.S.

[–] Yawweee877h444 95 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Super talented = extremely desperate foreigners who'll work 90hr weeks for very low pay.

Just in case anyone needed a translation.

[–] CharlesDarwin 5 points 13 hours ago

I was "lucky" enough to be around during the dot-com meltdown and seeing H-1Bs still being used/abused, even as so many citizens were being cast away. This scam has been around for quite some time. The cap was 115K in 99 and 2000.

Perversely, when the bubble really started taking its toll, the cap was 195K from 2001-2003.

During much of this time period, you'd look around and see 200 people applying for one cruddy junior/intermediate type of software engineer position. Why the cap was not zeroed out in emergency legislation tells you all you need to know about anyone looking out for Americans who work for a living.

Companies claiming things are so dire that they just cannot find the local talent are so very full of it. If they were the least bit genuine, they'd be paying HIGHER wages to the people they do bring in on a visa and they'd be lobbying for permanent status, not this six year max thing.

Now if Elmo was talking about basically being a worldwide talent scout to bring people here with full citizenship status AND being paid top dollar, we'd be talking something different, but if he's talking about more H-1Bs, it's the same old shit as it ever was....

[–] postmateDumbass 17 points 18 hours ago

And who are really indentured servitude type slaves

[–] pjwestin 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Musk is currently fighting with Laura Loomer over this and even pretended to be someone else in order to argue with her over Twitter Spaces and it is very, very funny to watch.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

christ it should be a rule to never post links to sites that require accounts or logins when sharing information about a discussion without also providing screenshots or a non-account mirror.

[–] pjwestin 3 points 11 hours ago

Christ, it should be a rule never to be this pissy with people sharing information. Here's a screenshot. Of an audio post. Not sure how much help that's going to be, so I guess you can just read about it on Mediaite or Raw Story in a few days.

[–] CharlesDarwin 5 points 13 hours ago

Not sure if there is something better....

https://bskyviewer.github.io/

[–] [email protected] 78 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

What I'm reading is that he wants Chinese or Indian engineers because they are as qualified as the next guy, they're already used to insane hours and no holidays AND he can just pay them their original wage, which is peanuts compared to what US engineers make. Also once he's done with them he can just deport them. What's not to like?!

[–] CharlesDarwin 6 points 13 hours ago

The broligarchs have always loved the H-1B fraud.

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[–] FlyingSquid 109 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

He didn't explain to them that holders of H1B visas have to stay with the corporation that hires them or else they get deported. It's semi-slavery. Conservatives would love it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago

Software engineers can devise lots of interesting ways to depose. He’s gonna radicalize the smart people.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

"import" like it's livestock. Strategically avoiding the word "migration", too.

[–] AutistoMephisto 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I believe it was a CEO of British Airways that referred to passengers as "self-loading cargo", so it's not like it's new that the haves see the have-nots as a resource to be managed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Lol the airline industry has some pretty good terms, my personal favorite is "wet lease".

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