Uruanna

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[–] Uruanna 1 points 12 hours ago

the ONLY jedi

[–] Uruanna 7 points 2 days ago

I don't even know what Mastodon looks like and I don't know who the guy is, but I'm just assuming he's lying because it sounds like the usual "crazy pronoun libs" dog whistle.

[–] Uruanna 3 points 4 days ago

Wait no go back, you're getting a lecture filled with maximum toxicity!

[–] Uruanna 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The Egyptians have Ramses

Uh? Ramesses was human - all 11 of them were. Egypt has the likes of Ra, Osiris, Anubis and so on, who I don't think are particularly tyranical in their stories.

For China, the actual mythology stuff is a lot of creation myth, but they do have a few stories about a divine emperor crushing an army of demons, and it turns out a lot of that is actually about conquering less developed, more nomadic cultures to unify China (Japan pretty much did the same, creation myth then crushing foreign demons that are actually literally foreigners not under their rule). And then there's the whole mandate of Heaven that they used to justify dynasties rising and falling, mixing up history into myth, that began when a government that started well ended up being seen as tyranical after a few centuries (the Shang, ending with Zhou and Daji).

Older, more primordial mythologies just start at world creation myth, and then talk about humans figuring out how to settle the land, and how the universe works. Mesopotamian cultures mostly focus on defeating the forces of nature, which does involve standing up to violent gods or monsters, but that comes from trying to build up a civilization that can survive disasters, and is actually not tied to tyranical human rulers. Any civilization needs to start with things like water control, that's why everyone from China to Greece also have that. Sumerians specifically have cities that go to war with each other because "the chief god of their city told them to", which is obviously manipulation to secure resources, but isn't particularly tyranical against their own people. And then the Bronze Age Collapse happens, after which the myth of Ishbi and Erra shows a war god who gets petty and kills everyone because people didn't pay attention to him. So again, the stories of tyranical gods come from people trying to survive and explain destruction events, from nature or from outside forces. When the Assyrians go around killing everyone, Sennacherib destroys Babylon out of anger and frustration - he tries to write a story about the god of Babylon ordering him to do that, and another story of his own god putting the same god of Babylon on trial for some crime, but that doesn't stick and Sennacherib gets murdered.

At some point it's not easy to distinguish mythology and simply literature. For China specifically, Journey to the West and Investiture of the Gods talk a lot about the bureaucracy and hierarchy of the Heavens, the oppression of gods and demons - but they're 16th century novels, are they really mythology? Those stories clearly became popular because people felt oppressed by tyrants, so the myths about tyranical gods can of course be a reaction to the people experiencing tyranical rule. Sun Wukong's story famously starts because the various systems of the Heavens can't contain him (and mankind), only Buddha can - but then that's still a 16 c. novel that showed up long after the creation of Buddhist "mythology", its spiritual structure and divine figures.

So there's multiple reasons for stories to pop up about gods becoming tyrants, either because the people get upset at actual tyrant kings, or because one country tries to justify the destruction of another country. But there's a distinction to be made about stories written as piece of literature and when they become actual civilization building myths that is a fundamental part of its culture. The older a civilization develops and gets centralized, the more opportunities you get for anyone to write more stories that become myth a few hundred years later. If that civilization has ups and downs, the stories about gods are more likely to reflect that. (I think Egypt got out of that because it actually collapsed 3 times, and kept starting over with new gods doing the same things, none of the unified kingdoms lasted more that 500 years)

[–] Uruanna 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This guy Crecganford on Youtube made a searchable database of the mythology index https://www.mythologydatabase.com/ , but it looks like he put a login requirement since the last time I looked it up. Creating an account is free, and I find this on the "Achilles' heel" motif :

https://www.mythologydatabase.com/get_motifs.php?myth=l15a1

Caucasus - Asia Minor. (Cite)

Kabardian people [sledges strive to destroy too strong Sosruko; offer him to roll a wheel up the mountain; push him with his head; S. performs everything; the old woman says that when S. was taken out of the stone womb that gave birth to him, the blacksmith grabbed his thigh with forceps, it became covered with bone and became vulnerable; sledges offer to roll the wheel with his thigh; the wheel crushed his thigh, S. died]: Lopatinsky 1891a:46;

Wikipedia's page for Sosruko points to this http://iccs.synthasite.com/nart-epos.php which calls him Sosriqwe and presents him as a variation of Prometheus and Loki, a trickster who steals fire from the gods and get punished for it.

[–] Uruanna 1 points 6 days ago

That heavily relies on education though. We tend to tell ourselves that hard times make you more lucid and you eventually get where you need, but not really, it's education. And guess what...

[–] Uruanna 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's definitely what she's trying to do, she'll bring up building a "new Avengers team" but it won't stick, Red Guardian will keep calling the team Thunderbolts instead, and then there won't be another movie with them before Secret Wars anyway so that team name will be the running gag for 10 minutes. Maybe someone will make a passing throwaway line about those new weird Wallmart Avengers (just like Yelena with John here) and that's it.

[–] Uruanna 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters

I don't know the details for each country, but as a Western European, it seems to me that apart from Germany, European governments are generally trying to distance themselves from Israel more and more, so there's that. I can't tell what each country does in details and in facts, but it's the impression I'm getting. I know France has taken a couple punishing actions like banning them from an important military sales show and calling for a ban on weapon sales. Anyone knows if other countries have done similar things or the opposite?

[–] Uruanna 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For FF7 Ever Crisis, yes.

For FGO, I used to be a big fan early on for the myth / history stuff, but it's been years since the story is always pretty shit and barely fanfiction level. The last story I cared about was all the way back in Babylonia and Solomon (Japanese version so a while ago), some stories here and there have been pretty good (Atlantis, Avalon, a bit of the Yamatai events, anytime Nasu picks up the story writing himself) but it's always drowned in a ocean of garbage fluff dialogs or shitty characters, the crawl is just too long. The very nature of the waifu game will always give me horrible whiplash in the way characters change their whole personality and how they interact with each other, and the super forced redemption scenes, not even counting how often it keeps forcing terrible characters. To me, most of the writing is just bad fanfiction of something that was already fanfiction (of the actual mythological and historical figures), I can't deal with that so I skip everything now.

At some point I also used to play Marvel Future Fight and King of Fighters Allstar, and I did use to follow the story (for the extremely rare drops it gave out), but I dropped those long ago.

[–] Uruanna 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Exactly, they announced earlier this year that they were working on reviving a bunch of licences, including Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Shinobi, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, and hinting at a longer list. We don't know yet eactly how many titles that includes, and which of them will get remakes, remasters, or brand new games, but it was hinting brand new. Early dev footage was leaked at some point for Crazy Taxi and Shinobi.

[–] Uruanna 2 points 1 week ago

Project Justice is coming back in the next Capcom Fighting Collection, some time next year. Along with Plasma Blade, CvS Pro and CvS2, etc.

[–] Uruanna 17 points 1 week ago

Because right wingers want that and left wingers don't, that's some surprising maths.

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