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[–] [email protected] 113 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It just says "This man can pronounce every word in the dictionary".

It doesn't say "This man can pronounce every word in the dictionary correctly".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

there should be a word for the feeling of when you can sense the top comment of a post before you open it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

"The vision"

[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 days ago (8 children)

My favorite version of this is that spelling bees don't exist in most (any?) other language, because their systems are more intuitive and consistent, but with English, if you can consistently spell words they give you a fucking trophy and you get money for college

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

You have to remember that most English speaking countries don't have a spelling bee either. The US is weird.

I looked up a UK version and all I could find was old competitions about learning to spell in other languages. E.g. https://www.routesintolanguages.ac.uk/events/national-spelling-bee-competition

[–] cazssiew 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In french we have "concours d'orthographe". Pronunciation is pretty consistent, but we add a dozen letters for every sound we utter, so spelling's still a mess.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I've seen enough French spelling to get it, though, and I don't really speak French. English spelling is still often hard as a native speaker.

You guys can have second place, our system is the most ass "bar none".

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Listen pal, you spend several centuries invading others and looting their vocabulary and see how much sense your language makes!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Spanish seems to be doing okay

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Stupid question: Doesn't a dictionary also contain the phonetic spelling?

[–] Skullgrid 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yes but no one gets taught to drink IPAs in school, you do that at university

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

the more you drink the more you understand vowel shift and consonant ellision

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m really awful at spelling, or pronouncing words I’ve read but haven’t heard before. I’m not dyslexic so I thought I was just weirdly bad at spelling. Then I started learning Spanish and it turns out I can spell just fine - English is the problem, not me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I remember being in second grade and being taught all sorts of rules about pronunciation and then a few minutes later, be given edge cases.

It was the moment when I gave up saying things correctly. Herb with a hard H, phone with a hard P. City with a k noise. English is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I treat English spelling like Chinese characters. How you pronounce is at best a hint on how to write.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Always has been.

[–] Ziglin 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Name a language without weird exceptions. I think in most this is still impressive.

[–] DampCanary 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

balkan ones: serbian croatian, slovenian, ...

you read as you write, no bogus letters(and sounds)

[–] Ziglin 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now I personally don't know those but I'm sure there are still some weird words that are spelled in an unexpected way, especially if we include words that originated from other languages.

[–] DampCanary 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

What we usualy do is write ~~what re~~(edit: how we) read e.g.:
transit -> tranzit
scale -> skala
band -> bend
buisness -> biznis
display -> displej

eins -> anjs
anlasser -> anlaser
ziegel -> cigla
ziehverschluss -> cifersluš

böbrek -> bubreg
yastık-> jastuk

reggipetto -> ređipet
scatola -> škatola
asciugamano -> šugaman

ambassade -> ambasada
clochard -> klošar
directeur -> direktor

[–] Ziglin 2 points 12 hours ago

That's actually really cool

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Spanish. I have a meme about it, I'll post it in the coming days

[–] Ziglin 2 points 1 day ago

I'll be back to check it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Korean. It has exceptions, but not weird exceptions, and* they follow consistent rules.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I seriously never got the concept of a spelling bee competition until I learned English.

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[–] themeatbridge 30 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Two things about English.

First, English is not one language, it's a mix of several different languages with loanwords stolen from eveey culture encoutered. Grammar and conjugation is entirely inconsistent because it is based on Romance languages, Germanic languages, and Greek.

Second, English is descriptive, not proscriptive. In other words, there are no rules to pronunciation or spelling. English words are spelled and pronounced the way English speakers spell and pronounce them. That's how England and America can end up with such disparate spellings and pronunciations. If you are understood, you have spoken English. When new pronunciations and spellings become commonly used, they are added to the dictionary. When speaking and writing styles change, so do the rules of grammar.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Aren't most languages a mix of several languages?
Like in German many words come from French or sometimes also from English words.
Only the Germans often butcher them, that they speak it as if they were real German words...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Congratulations, you have described virtually every language on this planet.

[–] greedytacothief 1 points 2 days ago

Do languages with sylabic alphabets have this problem?

[–] themeatbridge 2 points 2 days ago

Many languages have very specific pronunciation rules. If you can read a word, you can almost always pronounce it correctly, especially when accents are uses. You can often determine the pronunciation from the etymology by the language of origin. It's why spelling bee contestants always ask for country of origin.

[–] apolo399 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

English grammar and conjugation is quite consistent compared to its spelling, and it's quite purely Germanic. It got simplified by it's contact old norse, which resulted in middle english being starkly different from old english.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

The same is true for languages with better spelling systems.

For example German imported the word 'cakes', but it is now spelled 'Keks' inline with it's pronunciation.

I think it's funny how the slang word 'biz' fixes the spelling of 'business'

[–] TrickDacy 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Third, a lot of the reason we have spellings that don't seem phonetic is that early English scribes spelled things as they were (or similar to the original) in the source language, as a way of preserving history. For example, they could have written "chrome" as "krohm" or something but they opted to indicate the word came from Greek, with "ch". It's actually kind of a beautiful idea imo, trying to leave hints of heritage in the spelling. But yes I realize not everyone will care about that and will look at spelling as a utilitarian function alone.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (11 children)

People will really say shit about the silent letters in French and then completely ignore the unbelievably inconsistent pronunciation of "gh" in English.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

And the french silent letters are pretty consistent

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I'm pretty sure someone fucked up this timeline because that's definitely something from Idiocracy (2006)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Imagine living in a country where spelling bees cannot exist

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Don't most dictionaries have IPA next to the word?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Orthographic reform now! Our movement is dozens strong!

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