i totally understand that experience, as i’m sure do many others! ❤️

your emotional response to all of this is valid because it’s a very emotionally heavy topic. through all of this, it’s really important to listen to one another. the patriarchy has existed for millennia, and that generational trauma isn’t going to magically dissipate for either end of the gender spectrum.

if you are interested, i have been encouraging folks to look into [email protected], which i think has been and can be a good spot for folks to voice their experiences in a supportive setting.

i’m with you haha, it’s not a rhetorically great meme. at the root it’s just important to listen to what women are expressing by saying they’d choose the bear, but best not to try to double down on the hypothetical or take it personally. :)

Funny, but don’t ever forget the #MeToo movement.

Awareness and advocacy may seem pointless until it precipitates in holding the oppressors accountable. Next time, hopefully, it will be even more significant.

If you were alone in the woods, would you rather encounter a bear or a man?

Some of this is starting to get beyond my rhetorical capacity so I won’t pretend to have answers for your questions here, I apologize.

Maybe other commenters can give you satisfactory answers, but in the meantime I’ll refer you to this book by bell hooks (free PDF). Should get you 99.9% of the way there. :)

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No that’s kind of the opposite of the point I was making. The patriarchy is only one of all those systems of oppression that I listed.

There is a lot of crossover, yes, but I am not equivocating any of those. They are generally distinct.

Hey. Other commenters in this post are getting my point just fine. I am sorry that you refuse to read their comments, but that is a decision you made, not me. I don’t owe you a personalized breakdown of every misconception you are having the moment you bring it to the table, nor does anyone else, especially if you refuse to peruse a few threads.

That said, I hope other commenters who have more time than me can help you out. For my part this conversation between us is over.

See my other comments for a very full and nuanced explanation. I didn’t respond to your comment in full because there is a level of accusation that I don’t have the emotional bandwidth for right now. Example:

Stop pushing back against right wing shit bags.

This is you forcing words I would never say in my mouth. Please be kind and mindful of what you are doing to me. I don’t want to be an ass and block you but this is incredibly mean.

My actual position: Push back hard against right wing shit bags. At the same time, be mindful that very young men, often age 10-20, are still malleable and incredibly succeptible to the right wing antifeminist propaganda machine, and we have the opportunity to do better than last generation by getting those children on our side. Fuck fascist misogynist pigs though and never coddle them.

I hope this doesn’t come off too mean, it is just very tiring to be ~ told what I believe ~ by people who might ordinarily agree with me.

Thank you for the detailed summary.

To add the final unfortunate details, there was a recent discussion on Lemmy where women were sharing their reasons for choosing bear, which involved sharing personal stories of SA. Unfortunately, many men responded in a toxic manner, causing some women to delete their posts or accounts. Very disturbing and this is what inspired me to make this post, as it is quite reminiscent of the Catholic church sweeping SA under the rug.

When these people come out and say things like “women are just as bad as men“ anytime sexual violence is brought up, which is categorically untrue, there has to be pushback or these ridiculous notions get normalized and internalized.

Absolutely agree. Please do this :)

Exactly this. ^^^ Excellent expression of my position, thanks homie :)