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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Key facts about Jury Trials:

  1. Jurors cannot be punished for their decison either "guilty" or "not guilty", no matter if the decision was the "right" or "wrong" decison.

  2. A verdict of "not guilty" cannot be appealed nor overturned.

  3. A person cannot be tried for the same criminal act more than once. Famously known as the "No Double Jeopardy" clause. (although: according to the law, mistrials / hung juries don't count as a trial for the purposes of "No Double Jeopardy")

Interpret these facts however you will. wink wink, nudge nudge

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, don't tell anyone you know that, or you're not gonna be on any jury.

[–] orclev 41 points 1 week ago

cough cough ^jury ^nullification cough

Sorry, there must be something in the air today.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can we crowd source ads around Manhattan and have people with bullhorns on the sidewalks around the court entrances announcing "Jury Nullification is your right!"?

[–] cm0002 46 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just to be clear, Jury Nullification isn't a right, more of a natural consequence of the 2 rules:

Jury can't be punished for not ruling a certain way

And

No double jeopardy.

You can't outlaw jury nullification without breaking the first rule and you can't break the first rule because it's absolutely necessary for a fair justice system

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have a fair justice system?

[–] halcyoncmdr 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Theoretically. The structure is setup for one, it's the individuals that fuck it up. As usual.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Well, according to citizens united, money = speech.

[–] JonsJava 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jury nullification is one way to overturn unfair laws.

If a bunch of juries refuse to play ball, prosecutors will stop trying the cases. They think convictions are the only way to win reelection.

I'm an advocate for homeless people. I 100% support jury nullification.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I mean, we'd probably want to keep murder illegal. It's just this specific murder we don't take issue with.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Adams was quoted by the Post as saying the police were withholding the suspect's name for now to deny him any advantage.

“We don’t want to release that now,” the mayor said. “If you do, you are basically giving a tip to the person we are seeking and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask."

Yeah yeah. I'll believe it when you prove it Adams. Sounds like you still have Jack shit to me.

[–] jewbacca117 120 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That part cracks me up. As if the killer has no idea the police are after him.

[–] marcos 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's worse.

It implies the killer has no idea who he is, so the police informing the name is different from just telling him they know his name.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe he doesn't read Reddit.

[–] AbidanYre 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe reddit can point the finger at a dead college student again.

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[–] FuglyDuck 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If they had a name, they’d probably already have the person it belongs to in custody.

[–] Frozengyro 28 points 1 week ago

I mean, this tips the guy off as much as releasing the name unless they are bluffing.

[–] themeatbridge 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's just call him L Simpson... no wait, that's too obvious. Lisa S.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

If Adams held a press conference to say the sky was still blue, I'd promptly go out and check for myself.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Adams is a piece of shit Republican who has dropped any premise of ever being progressive. I look forward to the day he leaves his post.

Also, the guy is already a hero. The moment the public learns the guy's name, it's gonna become memorialized.

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[–] OldManBOMBIN 14 points 1 week ago

DONT SAY HIS NAME. WE HAVE TO PROTECT MR SHIT

I MEAN SMITH 👀👀👀

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Lol, he's totally not going to get tipped off as long as you don't say his name. It's not like he's been like the only thing in the news in the last 3 days.

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[–] malloc 102 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sounds like a desperate tactic to get perpetrator to make mistakes (ie, tickets bought hastily to leave country). Sudden plans to leave the country or travel domestically are often flagged by the feds for follow up. The practice was supposedly put on hold [1] but wouldn’t surprise me if it’s used in situations like this.

In my opinion, police wouldn’t bother releasing this statement. If it was real, investigation would continue and the next statement/story would be “we have the person in custody”.

I call bullshit.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/dea-passenger-searches-halted-watchdog-finds-signs-civil-rights-violat-rcna181262

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s one theory, but also, remember that Eric Adams is kind of a moron.

One of the few explanations that makes sense to me is that the cops have identified him but aren’t saying anything so as not to tip him off, and Adams decided to make the announcement anyway, because him being the one to break the news is good for his career. And then figured with impeccable moron logic that as long as he doesn’t use the guy’s name, the guy will be none the wiser.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why is Adams still free?

What a piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lol

Merrick Garland

Same one in charge with investigating trump

Same fucking bullshit

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[–] Fredselfish 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Cops haven't found shit. I saw a video of a guy putting mask on their face that when on actually make you look like that person. Apparently can buy them on Amazon. How do we know that isn't a mask? This guy was smart. He didn't leave behind nothing he didn't want the cops to find. Hell the so called bottle they found. If you wacth the video or him disposing of it. He placed it in just a way that was for sure to be found.

Also two theories on the backpack. Either he left it on purpose, or my thinking is the cops planted it to make it look like they are solving this thing.

I think who ever this was is a professional or he planned it right and they will not catch this person. Unfortunately they will pin this on someone, and that someone will be dead.

Even if and its a big if they catch this person, no way will they allow this man to be put on trial. Allow his defense lawyer play up that he killed that fucking CEO because someone he loved died because the fucks at United Healthcare denying their claim. And if they had gotten care would have lived.

[–] foggy 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The backpack had monopoly money in it.

He left it.

He's fucking leagues beyond getting caught.

Homie rolled up on an ebike with a gun loaded with bullets engraved with messages. Iced this fuckface, tossed a backpack full of monopoly money to throw off the trail and make a statement, and dipped.

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[–] foggy 12 points 1 week ago

So what you're saying is everybody who's financially capable right now should take a week off of work to go across the country or maybe even across country lines for absolutely no reason? Especially those of us living in and around the area of Manhattan?

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You mean habitual liar Eric Adams? As quoted by the abominable tabloid the New York Compost?

Yeah, I'm gonna hold out for confirmation from someone not perpetually full of shit..

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[–] nutsack 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

how would releasing his name vs "we know who it is" give any amount of edge to the guy? do they really think this guy is dumb enough to be complacent? im sure he's doing 100% of his best effort to remain as lucky as possible and have the best chances of making it onto a container ship headed for cambodia or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

They don't know, they're just trying to smoke him out.

[–] Thrashy 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe he has an Internet or social media presence with persuasive and/or humanizing postings, and they want to deny him the PR bump he'd get from them becoming public.

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[–] formergijoe 12 points 1 week ago

You can't get sued when you're wrong with "we know who did it."

[–] WoodScientist 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They don't know the Adjuster's secret identity. They're lying to distract from their own incompetence.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They have been dripping fake bullshit all week...

They aint got shit

Well maybe picked a random to ruin his life.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Scapegoat selection intensifies.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

They're gonna pick a random person from that "lookalike" meetup.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Suspect identified as having quite a dashing face.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

one video talking about Paul Watson: “wanted for the crime of being a fucking legend”

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

They don't have shit lol

[–] harmsy 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard his name was Simon Belmont. Here's an artist's sketch:

[–] WoodScientist 15 points 1 week ago

I'm partial to "The Adjuster."

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No one pointing out that although this is Reuters, their source in the NY Post.

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[–] Snapz 22 points 1 week ago

The four most meaningless words in journalism... "the NY Post reports"

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 21 points 1 week ago

Which one? The smiling guy that was different than the shooting video guy?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He should tell the FBI cause they're still crowdsourcing data.

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