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[–] [email protected] 1 points 54 minutes ago

"Progressive roots"?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Thanks to idiot non voters there will not be a chance to dump these policies since there wont be another election

[–] JokklMaster 14 points 3 hours ago
[–] BigBenis 40 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Democrats: "Understood. We must try harder to win over the center-right."

[–] TropicalDingdong 6 points 1 hour ago

"center right":

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, we should have seen it coming with all the "nostalgia" for the Good Old Days of GWB.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 5 points 1 hour ago

This was literally what the Harris campaign walked away saying.

[–] Freefall 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

The message to Democrats is clear: (insert your agenda here)

Boring

[–] LittleBorat3 8 points 3 hours ago

Based on the assumption that it was some economic issue, that lost them the votes, this article is pretty good.

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[–] takeda 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is BS. People saying Kamala was too liberal, or too centrist, she was riding too much on Biden achievements or not enough etc etc.

The real reason for this is that majority of people no longer get their news from MSM, they get their news from social media which are hevily slanted for trump. Not only GOP understands how influential those are, but they are helped with foreign entities who are free to use these media as well.

This also isn't just happening to US but also to Europe.

The fucking solution is to get your family off of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok etc. it is a cancer and essentially hacks their brain.

You might think that social media is great, because everyone can have a voice. This might be true for sites like Lemmy, but in other places what you post is irrelevant, because their algorithm controls what others see. It is very clever, because they can hide behind freedom of speech to not restrict the sites, while essentially still having full control of what it is shown and zero consequences.

With AI they don't even need people anymore they can generate content themselves and say it is a real user.

Why do you think companies involved in social media are also heavily invested with generative AI?

[–] Yawweee877h444 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

The fucking solution is to get your family off of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok etc. it is a cancer and essentially hacks their brain.

What you're implying here is that people aren't smart enough to navigate social media intelligently, without being duped by propaganda and group think, yet you are.

Protecting dumb people by hiding them from social media, is a bad fix for a symptom of other major problems. Fixing symptoms like this is never a good solution.

What we need is education massively overhauled, to the point it would be unrecognizable to what we have today. People should have the critical thinking skills and educational background to laugh there ass off and shrug off ~~right wing~~ propaganda, and never let it take hold.

This is a much bigger problem, and we're losing significantly, but it's what should be discussed instead of just hiding social media from people.

[–] mdurell 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

”and shrug off ~~right wing~~ propaganda" FTFY

[–] Yawweee877h444 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah fair enough.

[–] takeda 2 points 1 hour ago

The social media sites are known to collect vast information about us. The explanation is that it is meant for targeted ads, but the same information can be also used to know which buttons to press.

You scroll between funny videos and once in a while you get something that maybe will anger you, or maybe scare and in any way impact what you will do.

Just taking a recent example. To pro Palestinian people they received messages that Harris is bad for Palestine and we can show her and protest by not voting.

Meanwhile the same social media was telling pro Israeli people that they should not vote for Harris, because she is pro Palestine.

This is how they are getting desired outcome. And unlike MSM they can fine tune the message to specific category of people.

[–] WoodScientist 9 points 8 hours ago

It goes beyond just that. I think a Democratic presidential candidate could do well addressing elitist thinking in general. I think they could do quite well with a pledge not to appoint anyone to their cabinet or to a court that graduated from an Ivy League school. One of the reasons we keep seeing the same shitty approaches is that both parties recruit heavily from the same handful of schools. This they're recruited from the same social circles. I would suggest that candidates just flat out state that they'll be filling all their major spots with people who got their education at state schools.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Wait, so apparently Americans don't want neoliberal economic policies so they didn't vote for Kamala, but instead voted for Trump and his neoliberal economic policies?

This shit is stupid and old already. It reeks of people using unhealthy coping mechanism to deal with the idea that the average American shifted even further right.

[–] Maggoty 9 points 3 hours ago

Trump verbally promised to change the system. Harris said the system is doing great, you're doing great, anyone who says they aren't doing great doesn't understand the economic genius that is Biden's economy.

The predictable happened. Democrats were warned when Biden tried to take a victory lap on the economy in 2023. They ignored that warning and didn't attempt to pass legislation they knew was required. Even if they failed they could have been seen fighting for the people. We know they knew what the required legislation is because Biden suddenly promised national rent controls right before being forced to step aside. Then Harris silently kept them in her campaign but didn't highlight them again until a week before the election. When she was desperate.

Until Democrats actually show, in their actions, that they're fighting for the working class, the beatings will continue. And no shutting down strikes and one vote on minimum wage isn't going to cut it. They need to be in the news every week on some aspect of the financial pain the working class feels, and repeats are not only okay, but necessary. A term has 208 weeks in it, that's enough to press several issues. They can also do a quarterly podcast, this entire idea of silently governing was proven inferior by FDR. Even Obama had the petition system which generated national conversations. People do not expect that a quiet government is doing something. In fact they are suspicious of it.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Trump’s economic policies aren’t neoliberal so much as mercantilist. He wants tariffs and trade wars. (There’s obviously also a dash of fascist policies where he wants companies to serve him.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

Fascism was the rebranding of mercantilism. State supported industry with a blurry line between state and private actors and owners, all ultimately supported by imperial conquest and colonialism.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The average american doesn't know what neoliberal economic policies are, but the average american can feel the impact of neoliberalism on a daily basis. Convincing people you have a solution to what everyone knows is wrong (even if your solution is even more neoliberalism and blaming minorities, the old reliable) is what get people in booths.

Conversely, saying things are fine the way they are is the easiest way to lose an election.

[–] jordanlund 29 points 9 hours ago

What killed Biden and Harris was the outright denial of what people were feeling.

"The economy is hurting us!"

"What are you talking about, Jack? We have the best economy ever! Look... inflation is only 3% (on top of 3%, on top of 9%), we're doing GREAT! Not a joke! I'm serious!"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago (10 children)

1/3 of voting age Americans voted for Trump (that 3rd wants fascism)... 1/3 for Kamala, and 1/3 stayed home... A lot of the 1/3 that stayed home did so because they don't want neolib policy, and probably a lot of the 1/3 that voted for her also don't want neolib policy. There's very little to support the idea that anyone "shifted right"... They shifted home when they weren't given an option to vote against genocide and other neolib bullshit

[–] Maggoty 4 points 3 hours ago

No there is not 1/3rd that wants Fascism. There is a small percentage that want a Christian Nationalist government, but most Trump voters just seriously think he did a better job with the economy. They don't have an economic education and they know it was easier to feed their families when he was president.

Don't other people who should be your allies. Division of the working class works in the favor of the elites and extremists.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Simpson's Skinner meme, "no, it's the voters that are wrong"

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[–] foggy 105 points 14 hours ago (21 children)

My message to the dnc

Fuck you we elected Bernie and you ran Hillary and then we elected Bernie and you gave us Biden. Fuck you.

[–] Anomaline 1 points 1 hour ago

Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries twice. It's mostly white guys that want him, honestly, which isn't a popular sentiment but it's true.

He doesn't speak to the problems of marginalized communities who make up a large portion of the Democratic base.

[–] FireRetardant 78 points 13 hours ago

They knew Bernie might actually improve the lives of Americans and our rich overlords shudder at the thought of that.

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