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[–] rational_lib 1 points 8 minutes ago

As I use copilot to write software, I have a hard time seeing how it'll get better than it already is. The fundamental problem of all machine learning is that the training data has to be good enough to solve the problem. So the problems I run into make sense, like:

  1. Copilot can't read my mind and figure out what I'm trying to do.
  2. I'm working on an uncommon problem where the typical solutions don't work
  3. Copilot is unable to tell when it doesn't "know" the answer, because of course it's just simulating communication and doesn't really know anything.

2 and 3 could be alleviated, but probably not solved completely with more and better data or engineering changes - but obviously AI developers started by training the models on the most useful data and strategies that they think work best. 1 seems fundamentally unsolvable.

I think there could be some more advances in finding more and better use cases, but I'm a pessimist when it comes to any serious advances in the underlying technology.

[–] CerealKiller01 16 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Huh?

The smartphone improvements hit a rubber wall a few years ago (disregarding folding screens, that compose a small market share, improvement rate slowed down drastically), and the industry is doing fine. It's not growing like it use to, but that just means people are keeping their smartphones for longer periods of time, not that people stopped using them.

Even if AI were to completely freeze right now, people will continue using it.

Why are people reacting like AI is going to get dropped?

[–] Ultraviolet 1 points 22 minutes ago

Because novelty is all it has. As soon as it stops improving in a way that makes people say "oh that's neat", it has to stand on the practical merits of its capabilities, which is, well, not much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

People pay real money for smartphones.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

People pay real Money for AIaaS as well..

[–] bitchkat 3 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago

I am so tired of the ai hype and hate. Please give me my gen art interest back please just make it obscure again to program art I beg of you

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 2 hours ago

Theres no bracing for this, OpenAI CEO said the same thing like a year ago and people are still shovelling money at this dumpster fire today.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Sigh I hope LLMs get dropped from the AI bandwagon because I do think they have some really cool use cases and love just running my little local models. Cut government spending like a madman, write the next great American novel, or eliminate actual jobs are not those use cases.

[–] JustARaccoon 3 points 3 hours ago

Until Open AI announces a new 5t model or something and then the hype refreshes

[–] art 1 points 2 hours ago

It's had all the signs of a bubble for the last few years.

[–] iAvicenna 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

so long, see you all in the next hype. Any guesses?

[–] werefreeatlast -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

AI vagina Fleshlight beds. You just find your sleep inside one and it will do you all night long! Telling you stories of any topic. Massaging you in every possible way. Playing your favorite music. It's like a living room! Oh I'm sleeping in the living room again. Yeah I'm in the dog house. But that's why you need an AI vagina Fleshlight bed!

[–] namarupa 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Get a few more hours of sleep

[–] werefreeatlast 3 points 3 hours ago

I woke up at 4 this morning. The fridge made a big ice maker noise that sounded like a door getting slammed. Anyway here I am shit posting and reading shit posts.

[–] Etterra 10 points 6 hours ago

Good. I look forward to all these idiots finally accepting that they drastically misunderstood what LLMs actually are and are not. I know their idiotic brains are only able to understand simple concepts like "line must go up" and follow them like religious tenants though so I'm sure they'll waste everyone's time and increase enshitification with some other new bullshit once they quietly remove their broken (and unprofitable) AI from stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Nice, looking forward to it! So much money and time wasted on pipe dreams and hype. We need to get back to some actually useful innovation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Crash? Doesn't it have to be moving at all to crash?

[–] d7sdx 7 points 6 hours ago

Nvidia shares ..

[–] LavenderDay3544 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

AI was 99% a fad. Besides OpenAI and Nvidia, none of the other corporations bullshitting about AI have made anything remotely useful using it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Nvidia made money, but I've not seen OpenAI do anything useful, and they are not even profitable.

[–] LavenderDay3544 2 points 6 hours ago

ChatGPT is basically the best LLM of its kind. As for Nvidia I'm not talking about hardware I'm talking about all of the models it's trained to do everything from DLSS and ACE to creating virtual characters that can converse and respond naturally to a human being.

[–] jj4211 3 points 5 hours ago

I would say LLMs specifically are in that ball park. Things like machine vision have been boringly productive and relatively un hyped.

There's certainly some utility to LLMs, but it's hard to see through all the crazy over estimations and being shoved everywhere by grifters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Great!! ....I don't what chatGPT to go anywhere, I use it every day and Google has become assss.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 hours ago

Just put another number behind it. Luddites won't know the difference.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago

yep Knew ai should die some day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago

Of course it'll crash. Saying it's imminent though suggests someone needs to exercise their shorts.

[–] MataVatnik 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm shocked I tell you

[–] [email protected] 41 points 14 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Well duhhhh.
Language models are insufficient.
They also need:

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

"LLMs such as they are, will become a commodity; price wars will keep revenue low. Given the cost of chips, profits will be elusive," Marcus predicts. "When everyone realizes this, the financial bubble may burst quickly."

Please let this happen

[–] orl0pl 21 points 10 hours ago

Market crash and third world war. What a time to be alive!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 169 points 18 hours ago (10 children)

I wish just once we could have some kind of tech innovation without a bunch of douchebag techbros thinking it's going to solve all the world's problems with no side effects while they get super rich off it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Of course most don't actually even believe it, that's just the pitch to get that VC juice. It's basically fraud all the way down.

[–] Strider 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Soooo... Without capitalism?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 2 points 3 hours ago

Pretty much.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

largely based on the notion that LLMs will, with continued scaling, become artificial general intelligence

Who said that LLMs were going to become AGI? LLMs as part of an AGI system makes sense but not LLMs alone becoming AGI. Only articles and blog posts from people who didn't understand the technology were making those claims. Which helped feed the hype.

I 100% agree that we're going to see an AI market correction. It's going to take a lot of hard human work to achieve the real value of LLMs. The hype is distracting from the real valuable and interesting work.

[–] b3an 1 points 38 minutes ago

I read a lot I guess, and I didn’t understand why they think like this. From what I see, are constant improvements in MANY areas! Language models are getting faster and more efficient. Code is getting better across the board as people use it to improve their own, contributing to the whole of code improvements and project participation and development. I feel like we really are at the beginning of a lot of better things and it’s iterative as it progresses. I feel hopeful

[–] mutant_zz 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

OpenAI published a paper about GPT titled "Sparks of AGI".

I don't think they really believe it but it's good to bring in VC money

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

That is a very VC baiting title. But it's doesn't appear from the abstract that they're claiming that LLMs will develop to the complexity of AGI.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 12 hours ago

Journalists have no clue what AI even is. Nearly every article about AI is written by somebody who couldn't tell you the difference between an LLM and an AGI, and should be dismissed as spam.

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