So this means the fighting will stop now, right?
...right?
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Well, Israeli war aims included diminishing Hamas. But they also included returning any hostages who are still alive. So I think the fighting will continue at least in the short term.
You forgot "Get all the waterfront land"
Nobody wants Gaza land, it's a shit hole.
They tried to ignore Gaza before Oct 7, they were focused on the west bank settlements that were actually not garbage.
The Gaza Marine natural gas field, discovered by British Gas in 1999, is located off the coast of Gaza and contains an estimated 1 trillion cubic feet of natural gas[1][2]. Despite its potential to boost the Palestinian economy, development has been hindered by political and security issues, particularly Israeli restrictions and conflicts with Hamas[3]. The field's development was approved by Israel in June 2023 as part of broader regional cooperation efforts, but ongoing tensions continue to complicate progress[2][5]. The field's strategic importance has been highlighted amid global energy shifts following the Russia-Ukraine conflict[1][4].
Citations: [1] Behind Israel's 'end game' for Gaza: Theft of offshore gas reserves https://www.workers.org/2023/11/74864/ [2] Israel-Hamas war: What will happen to Gaza's natural gas field? https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/energy-and-infrastructure/article-774864 [3] Natural gas in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Strip [4] The war on Gaza is also an Israeli drive to seize Palestinian gas ... https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/war-gaza-israel-brutal-drive-seize-palestinian-gas-reserves [5] Is natural gas the real reason for the genocide in Gaza? - DiEM25 https://diem25.org/is-natural-gas-the-real-reason-for-the-genocide-in-gaza/ [6] Israel sets its sights on Gaza's offshore gas - The New Arab https://www.newarab.com/analysis/israel-sets-its-sights-gazas-offshore-gas [7] How a Gaza Marine Deal Could Benefit Palestinians, Israelis and ... https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/08/how-gaza-marine-deal-could-benefit-palestinians-israelis-and-region [8] Israel gives nod to Gaza Marine gas development, wants ... - Reuters https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
There's so much more elsewhere, Israel has been developing offshore gas everywhere around there, and wouldn't give a shit about Gazan claims anyway.
The west bank has Jerusalem and nice, arable land, some of the best in Palestine, they're desperate for it.
They would much rather continue to slowly settle all of the west bank while leaving Gaza as a super-slum and proof that all of Palestine are Hamas.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants Gaza, not Egypt (they were asked and said fuck no), not Israel, just nobody.
I'm not worried about Israel ever annexing Gaza, the most they might do is glass it when it gets inconvenient enough.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field - actually useful gas field.
perpetually missing hostages that will never be confirmed alive or dead?
I mean, that's kind of on Hamas, no?
No, that's on israel that actually does not care about the hostages and intentionally torpedoed all negotiations and even killed some of them themselves.
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Great, now how many innocent civilians were part of the collateral damage?
In this particular engagement, zero. Did you think you had something there?
I just don't see this changing anything.
He was particularly hostile to peace with Israel (and Israel was particularly hostile to peace with him). Furthermore (according to my understanding) Hamas doesn't have much formal structure; it isn't like the USA where the government is ready to accept the vice president as the leader if the president dies. I assume that Sinwar prepared a successor, but there's still probably no one who knows all the same things and has the loyalty of all the same people.
Israel has already moved on to Lebanon. This is a forever war. That's what Netanyahu wants. His best friend has been trying to tell the world about it.
He also wrote that Netanyahu will pay any price at the expense of the public in Israel, provided that his rule does not fall "and therefore, to the horror of it, there is no chance that the war will end in the foreseeable future. Neither voluntarily nor according to logic. Its continuation forever is the only barrier that will prevent his personal catastrophe.
Yep, the ongoing war is delaying a corruption trial against Bibi where I think he could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison, so he's going to keep this war going forever if he can
Israel is not the USA. It doesn't have the economy to support a forever war, even with US help. Most of its soldiers are reservists who need to go back to their jobs sooner rather than later.
You don't think that whoever survives the horror they just have been through on Gaza will eventually replace them?
No, I don't think the popular theory that organizations like Hamas exist because people want revenge is correct. The critical component seems to be a power vacuum; in its absence humans will tolerate anything. If Israel establishes order in Gaza by some means (and by that I don't just mean armed patrols through hostile territory) then there can be occasional terrorist attacks but no organized resistance.
The problem that I see is actually that there's little precedent for establishing order in circumstances like this while acting with the humanitarian constraints that Israel does have. The USA failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia succeeded in Chechnya but Israel cannot (and should not) even come close to the level of brutality Russia employed.
Yeah if Israel extends it's apartheid into Gaza, that'll bring peace in the region for sure.
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They need to take out the real terrorist, Bibi
Things are going to have to get a lot worse for the IDF before they would take out their own leader.
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Nice. Hamas sux
Yeah but they were created because Israel sucked in the first place.
Many thing suck, same time.
Terrorist groups are more likely to form in bad social, political, and economic circumstances. Astute observation.
And Israel was created because the Jews got fucking slaughtered and driven from their homes in the world wars and didn't have anywhere safe that anyone wanted them.
And the US exists because the Europeans slaughtered the native Americans.
And England exists because they slaughtered the locals that were there before.
And modern China exists because they slaughtered the group before them.
Its almost like this is exactly how it's always worked.
Weird way to excuse a genocide but ok.
Edit: the fact that Jewish people went through a Holocaust, doesn't excuse them from creating another one.
Everybody gets to do one genocide, that's how it works, right?
Not many people could get a bullseye with 40,000 darts and a year to use them. Fairplay to Israel for their precision on this one.
During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.
Another one down. Plenty more to go.
Plenty more to go.
If you're referring to innocent women and children yes that's accurate.
Human shields around fucking cowards, yes. The women are completely complicit. I only feel bad for the children, but the parents of these want to completely eradicate all Jews, so fuck 'em.
Best of luck to you in the afterlife brother you'll need it.
Sure
Good news is rare. I hope this was the result of better intelligence on the whereabouts of the Hamas leadership rather than luck.
I pasted this in response to the wrong comment, so here it is again for you:
During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.
They wouldn't exactly admit a source and compromise further operations. They probably had at least an idea of where he might be.
OBL hid in a personal mansion for 10 years only 100 miles away from Pakistan Military Academy
Mullah Omar hid in a tunnel only 3 miles away from Base Wolverine lol.
I think it was probably a bit of both. They knew he was in the north, but not much more. I presume their intel gathering fell apart after the infrastructure collapsed.
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If you kill everyone in Gaza, you'll eventually kill the right person.
Human shields can only get you so far
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