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Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from "social" media?

Well, if thats the price we pay, thats the price we pay... :)

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

If the products or "products" being withheld are deemed useful by their users, you're bound to have someone filling the gap created by the butthurt tech giants leaving. Without all the associated data vulturing.

[–] cheese_greater 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say "capitalism", given that some of the alternatives filling the gap to be non-commercial in nature.

[–] ricdeh 12 points 4 months ago

Free market economy at its best

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If we're really lucky, those replacements might even become competition for the original products outside the EU, and drive the data vultures out of business.

(Something has to go right in this timeline eventually, right?)

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 49 points 4 months ago (9 children)

What’s the easiest EU country to emigrate to?

[–] ZILtoid1991 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you have no human principles, Hungary. You just have to buy some papers for it. Maybe learn a hard and useless language. But definitely love corruption and the suffering of other humans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is not true. You need to have years of presence OR have Hungarian ancestry and a few years less presence OR be married to a Hungarian for a couple years. Top this off with being able to know the Hungarian language.

[–] ZILtoid1991 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not if you buy the letelepedési kötvény (immigration bonds).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Other countries have a similar system. Canada for example has the Start-up Visa, which requires about C$225k investment, or the Quebec one (now suspended) which required C$1.25m over five years.

From what I can tell, the Hungarian requires somewhere between 200 and 300k EUR. This is not something that is affordable or easy to attain for the average lemmy poster. But again, this also does not guarantee citizenship, just residency.

In short, requesting a work or study visa and then trying for the citizenship test five years later, after having learned the language, is probably a much more attainable way. But still far from the easiest country to emigrate to.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This is more bark than bite, imo. They're just threatening to withhold products at this point, but as the article points out:

  • Europe's a big market and profit focused companies aren't going to give that up just to make a point
  • Those that do will just encourage European competition to step up and fill whatever gaps might appear, which is just fine by the EU.

So... go right ahead. Let's see how this really plays out.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 14 points 4 months ago

And the products they are threatening to withhold are exactly the products we don't want. Last time the tech giants threatened to leave entirely the EU asked when to plan the going away party. The current tactic from the giants isn't much better

[–] fluxion 9 points 4 months ago

Same argument for any case where cooperations bitch and whine about regulations.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

"Don't threaten me with a good time"

[–] IchNichtenLichten 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Meta has decided not to release a new multimodal AI model and related products in the EU.

The move follows a similar decision last month by Apple to withhold its new Apple Intelligence features from Europe."

Oh no. Wait. Come back.

[–] Fedizen 5 points 4 months ago

wow so they're holding back on wasteful broken products?Seems like win win

[–] JackFrostNCola 3 points 4 months ago

You're tearing me apart lisa!

[–] RegalPotoo 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  • Apple reversed log standing design policy to put a USB C charger in the iPhone because not selling iPhones in Europe was not a financially viable option.

  • Apple won't launch their AI features in Europe because changing to comply with regulations is too hard

These features aren't that important then I guess?

[–] ocassionallyaduck 21 points 4 months ago

This is a total win for Europeans.

Bring more Europe to the US. Lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

We don't want your shitty products :)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's working to me.

Zuckbot, comply with GDPR or forget about EU.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In this case I think it’s the DMA they’re butthurt about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The article mentions both. Meta is still complaining about GDPR.

[–] devfuuu 18 points 4 months ago

Really hope so.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If your "product" is stealing my information for your "AI" or extorting me to buy "dongles", then please "withhold" it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Corpo propaganda at it again...

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

You might think that but you're missing cool thing like, ah.. the metaverse..?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

oh no, not the products!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Oh.... no... please.... do not do that...

Anyways

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

[–] BigBenis 9 points 4 months ago

Oh no! Anyway...

[–] rottingleaf 9 points 4 months ago

Could they withhold their existence while we're at it?..

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Threatening a dog with a weiner I see. That's a bold strategy.

[–] abrinael 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s too bad the websites that do this don’t have to put a label on it in the U.S. Something like “Not for consumption in the E.U.” to make people wonder what’s going on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m struggling with this as a website operator. I don’t have any third-party tracking, no external assets, nothing and I’m dying to put up a cookie banner stating as such even though it’s totally unnecessary and annoying.

[–] Imperor 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You do not have to put up a cookie banner when you are only using technically required ones ornnone at all. Make a dedicated cookies page in your footer and have a table with every cookie, their name, their description and use as well as how long they last.

If you have none, put that info on that page. All you need to do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That’s what I was saying: that it isn’t required but it would be nice to advertise I’m not doing anything shady.

Great advice on the cookie listing page though. I haven’t considered that.

[–] cheese_greater 7 points 4 months ago

This just in: good time threatened. O no

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

USA only wishes we were this cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nice! Thank you EU for the GDPR!

For the next step, please let the companies that produce software be held accountable for damages. For Nonprofits change the target to associated companies. Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries. If the library was insufficiently supported by the developer, then the developer has no ground to sue for damages themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries.

What??

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[–] Paragone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This escalation will continue,

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

They will simply say something like:

"Either your government removes laws, regulations, accountability, etc, from us,

XOR we are hamstringing your country: we OWN you, we POSSESS you, & you will obey OUR rule."

I guarantee this will be happening between now & 2036.

Remember how they can ratchet-up a genocide, anywhere??

They've already done so, in some places..

( Facebook & .. was it Myanmar? as 1 example )

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I upvoted purely for using xor in regular speech

[–] rottingleaf 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

You think governments are resisting?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from "social" media?

Nah you still get all of that but in a shitter product.

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