With zero moderation and one candidate spewing nothing but lies, they can expect lower future viewership too.
What was even the point, CNN?
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Apparently the only way the candidates will agree to do it is if the format is so stilted that there's no chance of anyone learning anything or seeing the candidates get challenged on anything. It's basically just a taking-in-turns version of a campaign commercial.
What, indeed, is the point. Like a lot of American politics, the whole "debate" survives as a pointless vestige of a thing (now long forgotten) that was useful and productive in its original form, but now is mutated to a useless and unrecognizable monstrosity, which you have to pretend is super serious and important if you want to be able to be on TV.
To bring sexy back.
(But seriously, what a terrible television program, one old man spouting nonsense and the other looking confused and lost. There was absolutely zero reason for anyone to watch it.)
It's a great program if you like watching people laugh at old people for being old. Basically what I'm saying is this program was elderly abuse.
The point is fox news.
Not to mention, it's basically the same debate we had four years ago.
People don't want to watch reruns
You want to know the problem?
Obviously both candidates suck, but The questions the moderators ask, can just be ignored by the candidates. There hasn't been a good moderator in years, if ever. No one insists that the questions be answered and they continually ignore them.
Hold the candidates' feet to the fire. Don't let them go off tangent. Slap them down and insist on an answer to the question. They don't want to answer? Cut their mic and move to the other candidate who might actually answer it.
Too many times during the debate were questions like abortion and climate asked, they were just ignored.
The problem is that the Trump and Biden camps set the rules at this debate.
The moderators were not allowed to live fact check, nor could they cut the candidate's mic during their allotted time.
This means that the responsibility of countering Trump's lies fell completely on Biden. There are so many lies, it would be a difficult task for any person.
But Biden signed up for this, and he failed spectacularly. None of Trump's bullshit was effectively countered.
the responsibility of countering Trump's lies fell completely on Biden.
Hitchen's razor should apply, but this wasn't really a debate in the first place. Hell, neither of these geezers is prepared to properly debate and their prep teams are just tic tacs and ice cream.
In an ideal world, Hitchen's Razor would be applied whenever a politician speaks and whenever an advertisement plays.
Unfortunately for us, human psychology makes us all vulnerable.
One of Trump's debates, Anderson Cooper kept grilling him on something he refused to answer about. At one point he declared that Trump is refusing to answer that question, explicitly. It was probably the best moderation I've ever seen.
Then in one of the primaries, one of the moderators called Pete Buttigieg a liar after he said their information was false and corrected them (he in fact was not lying). That was possibly the worst moderation I've ever seen.
At least in this one they would say "the question was..." when they didn't actually answer.
A proper debate for Trump and Biden is like setting up a mixer for you and two exes that you despise. What are you going to learn that you don't already know?
Which is one of the reason why I don't think this debate will change many people's minds.
It gave some sound bites for people to hold up as examples of why Biden is old which I'm sure we will be seeing on certain news networks from now until forever going forward
And gave a bunch of "objective" news outlets a good excuse to write a bunch of "DEMS IN PANIC AFTER BIDEN'S UNFORGIVABLE SHIT SHOW" articles they are for some reason eager to write
Other than that significant amount of fodder, I think nothing of value occurred
And gave a bunch of "objective" news outlets a good excuse to write a bunch of "DEMS IN PANIC AFTER BIDEN'S UNFORGIVABLE SHIT SHOW" articles they are for some reason eager to write
Corpo media want Trump, simple as. Not only do they get the tax breaks and regulation abatement for their parent companies, but the last Trump term was cocaine for news media consumption, as we were all bombarded with new disaster scenarios every week. News companies do not care about the people or "the good of the nation." They care about line go up.
Yeah. I mean it's hard to blame them--
You know what, fuck that, let's blame them. They have a responsibility. This is like all the German businesses that played along with the Nazis because it was easier and then had to change the subject when their grandkids asked them about the war years. Like yeah grandad ran a, uh, a pots and pans factory. Yeah. Just pots and pans. Now go play outside.
In ordinary times I think it would be fair to say well you know a bunch of them didn't focus on the bottom line and went out of business and everyone had to get new jobs, so hard to blame the ones still around. But this is kind of all hands on deck time. It's one thing if you don't want to write articles about the IRA and all good stuff about Biden. It's a whole different fuckin story if you want to write stories feeding into getting the guy elected who is going to fuck up your home and city and business and economy and the safety of you and your families, too, and then (I am sure) stand around like "we're all looking for the guy that did this" if it winds up coming true.
I don't disagree with any of this, but in this particular instance i do think it's simply a reflection of reality. Biden's whole strategy is win over dummy undecideds who can't tell him and Trump apart, rather than excite his base for a good turnout.
Fact is that strategy requires charisma, not brains. Biden's running a strategy on his weakness. It's doomed, which is impressive since Trump is so widely hated. Literally any other dem in there party is a better choice, save Jimmy Carter...
hey don't do ol hot shot like that
The news is constantly trying to appear unbiased. And the only way to do that is by making both sides appear just as chaotic as each other.
That's the only reason why the news talks about how dems are in a panic instead of going line by line and talking about every damn thing each candidate said. They can't just go and say Trump lied 37 times and Biden really has accomplished everything he said he did. Because then they would be "biased".
This is the best news I've heard since the debate.
And the Dems have tons of footage of Trump spouting crazy nonsense.
Everyone thought Biden was too old anyway but some undecided voters think Trump is "smart".
Also, if you immigratted or your parents did, he just called you or your parents rapists, escaped convicts, mental patients, and terrorists.
Both candidates suck. Nobody wants to watch them.
I didn't watch because fuck those two people. I will still vote Biden. But you all should know, my GE refrigerator is running!
Wow. You better go catch it!
I'm a politics wonk and this is the first one in decades I haven't watched. I just don't think my liver can take it.
Yeah I read some transcripts and commentary, good enough. Already know I would never vote for Trump.
/rant
I know both candidates and their positions. Don’t particularly like either candidate. Really dislike one of them. And I haven’t seen anyone host an actual, honest to god political debate in my life, and no, the final season of West Wing doesn’t count.
All that being true, why the blazes would I have watched this one? My entire life, debates have only ever been excuses to put the candidates up on a stage see which one looks prettier, and shout sound bites into a microphone. That’s not a debate, that’s a campaign ad. And I’m tired of them.
I would really like our nation to get back to a point where I can feel comfortable voting for the candidate whose policies I actually think are the best instead of having to vote against the candidate that I think will actually destroy the country.
/end-rant
Thank fuck.
Doesn't matter whats said. I have the choice between a guy who stutters. A condition that doesn't affect intelligence or mental faculties in any way. Or I have the choice of a convicted felon who has clearly only cares about himself ~~the~~/to the point of mental instability.
I'm voting for Biden. Not because he is the best person for the job but because the alternative is a complete fascist shit show with all of his ignorant bigoted sycophant regressives willing the destroy the country. Not to return it to what it was in the past. Instead they seek to create some fantasy dictatorship that never was.
a guy who stutters
Nobody came away from the debate concerned about his stutter. This is like someone on the right calling Trump “a guy who speaks his mind”. I’m voting Biden too, but do you honestly think that’s why many of us will be holding our noses while doing so?
Yeah, it doesn't matter, at least for me. One candidate is old while the other is a 34 times convicted felon. The latter has made it clear he intends to dismantle the democratic institutions of our country and turn it into another fascist regime. At this point the DNC could platform a watermelon in a wig and I'd still vote for them over the convicted felon.
They are both old; only one is a convicted felon.
True. My comment was addressing the perception of Biden as portrayed by the major media outlets (they rarely ever mention that Trump is nearly the same age), but I concede that my comment could have been clearer in that regard.
I got the time-zone wrong and missed the first hour. Biden seemed fine to me - what the heck did I miss in the first hour?
People only remember the first hour. All the good shit happened in the second half anyways, lol.
When they announced that they were adding ad breaks I decided it was something I didn't need to watch live. Then I saw the highlights and decided there's no reason to go back and rewatch it.
Thank fuck.
It made me sick to my stomach after 15 minutes and I turned it off.
I haven't had a reason to watch that nonsense in at least 2 decades.
Well that’s a relief.