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"But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.”

“In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.”

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[–] NeptuneOrbit 168 points 5 months ago (22 children)

I've yet to hear a good criticism of Biden that isn't also true of Trump. Yet the media rarely writes a headline like "Trump should drop out/resign/kill himself"

Because he obviously won't. He will pursue your freedoms, wealth and sanity until his dying breath.

[–] EleventhHour 76 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Biden stuttered and is old.

Neither disqualifies him for the presidency

[–] dogsnest 67 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] OccamsTeapot 25 points 5 months ago (6 children)

This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn't stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like "we beat Medicare."

It doesn't disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump

This is the real takeaway. We've reached a point where we're not even sure either one can stay awake during important meetings.

See? Shoulda went with Bernie Sanders. He may be just as old, but he's too angry to rest. He sees the injustices of the world, and he's been barking about them since the 60s. Getting arrested for his causes.

I'm not saying Biden isn't sincere, but Sanders is so sincere that he's passionately angry at the system. The only thing that disqualifies him in my eyes is his age.......but fuck, if these are our only other two options, it's not much of a disqualification, is it? Biden gets confused halfway through his thought process that he moves over to another thought process midsentence. And Trump doesn't even start the sentence with a coherent thought process.

So....uhhhh.......guess we're all just fucked?

[–] logicbomb 25 points 5 months ago

Important meetings? During his presidency, Trump skipped most of his daily intelligence briefings.

Forget staying awake, Trump doesn't even show up.

[–] NocturnalMorning 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

He's old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it. Even trump was coherent, he just lied and kept saying how everything he did and was involved in was the greatest thing to ever be done ever, which made him look psycho (which he is)

[–] DxK 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it.

Seriously. Unlike Trump, who spent his entire Presidency ranting on Twitter all night and golfing all day... Biden probably goes to bed early both because he's old and because he spends his days actually doing his job. The debate performance was disappointing, I get it. But the media acting like he's being ~~Weekend at Bernie's~~ Dianne Feinstein'd around D.C. is ridiculous. It sucks that this is where we're at as a country... but "old guy" vs. "old guy who wants a fascist dictatorship" should not be a fucking struggle for voters.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 11 points 5 months ago

I think the struggle for voters is wondering why we don't just hand the keys to country back to england. I mean seriously.....THIS is the best we got??? Lets check in on English politics, shall we?

reads about Englands July 4th election

Well fuck.....

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate.

Holy crap how can you say things like this and think it's supporting him? The presidency isn't something that just pauses for bedtime and campaigning involves a lot of being "on" over and over again, sometimes at night.

[–] ABCDE 11 points 5 months ago

He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it

He really didn't from what I saw, it was awful.

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[–] FlexibleToast 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He has even said he is slowing down and can't debate as well as used to. This doesn't technically disqualify him, but it should be a huge red flag that he isn't and wasn't the best candidate. That's the real problem.

[–] EleventhHour 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

oh, no disagreement here-- but it's either Biden or Cheeto Mussolini.

i'm glad you're not choosing that latter!

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate 23 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Exactly! If you say that Biden should drop out for the good of the country, a bunch of people nod their heads, but if you say trump should, everyone just laughs.

I'm for sure on team "Not Trump, and not a Republican." I think the debate really may have weakened Biden's chances, but I can't think of anyone who I'm confident could do better in the election. And I really mean "in the election" - there are certainly some who I think could do better as president, but they either don't have the name recognition or wouldn't pull in the moderates.

I'd love to see a true progressive, but there are an awful lot of people who simply won't vote for one. So I'm sticking with Biden and hoping for the best.

[–] tburkhol 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's because dropping out is 100% not in Trump's character. He's in the race for himself, everyone - even his supporters - knows that, and asking him to drop out is like asking a zebra to try all-black.

Biden, OTOH, is a public servant and presents himself as trying to do the best things possible for the country. He ran in 2020 to 'save us from Trump,' and he's running again with that premise. You can disagree with Biden on what is best for the country, and maybe convince him that someone else might be better able to beat Trump in 2024. I'm not really all that engaged, so I have no idea who the next-best Democrat would be, but Biden stepping aside is at least within the realm of conceivable possibilities.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent 72 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump attacks the military. He denigratesthe Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

These are the kinds of articles we need from our media, and also needed sooner. Much sooner.

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[–] jeffw 58 points 5 months ago (3 children)

To understand this scathing rebuttal, you should know about the original NYTimes article, where their editorial board wrote:

To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race

This is a wonderfully penned counterpunch. Shout out to my local paper for serving it up

[–] kromem 16 points 5 months ago

Both of the articles are correct.

[–] lennybird 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's cute. But this is, of course, a given. And we don't expect Hitler to do the right thing. We expect Biden to.

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[–] MehBlah 55 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He isn't interested in serving anyone but himself.

[–] Diplomjodler3 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's not even the worst of it. He actively works for a hostile power.

[–] MehBlah 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Either putin has footage of him killing someone or he is getting paid. Either way its just more self serving crimes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think it's probably more simple than that. Trump is jealous that Putin has his own country and he doesn't. In Trump's mind he's the best so he also needs to own an entire country just so he can outdo Putin.

He's probably working with putin to achieve this goal, and the details we can speculate about, but the motivation is likely that petty.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

To serve his country...

When has he ever done anything to even hint that he serves anything but himself?

[–] FenrirIII 8 points 5 months ago

When he dies will be the first, and only, time.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind 34 points 5 months ago

He’s not here to serve his country, he’s here to exploit it.

[–] ProIsh 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"to serve his country, Donald Trump should.."

Lemme stop you right there

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

He should try injecting bleach into his lungs

[–] cabron_offsets 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

his country is russia, you fucking idiots.

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[–] emax_gomax 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Hah, no ones deluded enough to think trump wants to serve America or even that he gives a flying f*ck about what's good for it. This man is the pure crystallisation of "I don't need to win, I just need you to lose". He'll set this country on fire before taking any kind of responsibility or agency for the position he's vying for.

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[–] psycho_driver 16 points 5 months ago

He has never given a single fuck about serving anyone other than himself.

[–] Maggoty 15 points 5 months ago

NYT did in fact talk about Trump in their editorial. They lamented that any sane party would consider him ineligible after his debate performance. But because we can't have nice things, the onus is now on Biden.

All the "rebuttals" keep ignoring that.

[–] xantoxis 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump has never served anything except himself and maybe a few tennis balls.

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[–] Sam_Bass 11 points 5 months ago

He serves only himself. It is delusional to believe otherwise

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

But then he wouldn't make any money.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tbh he could probably make plenty as a conservative media personality of some kind. Start some webshow and sell tacky branded garbage and fake health supplements to his supporters or something like that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

He could even start some kind of alternative social media site and branded bibles.

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[–] Treczoks 9 points 5 months ago

Who believes that Trump would serve his country? Trump would happily see the country go down in f-ing flames if it served him. Because he is the only one who counts for him, anything else does not matter at all.

[–] twistypencil 8 points 5 months ago

Finally, someone who actually thinks, instead of just a reactionary hour take

[–] homesweethomeMrL 7 points 5 months ago

Media to the Mentally Unwell: Just Stop Being Mentally Unwell

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