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On Tuesday, voters in Crook County passed measure 7-86, which asked voters if they support negotiations to move the Oregon/Idaho border to include Crook County in Idaho.  The measure is passing with 53% of the vote, and makes Crook County the 13th county in eastern Oregon to pass a Greater Idaho measure.

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[-] NatakuNox 97 points 3 weeks ago

These people want to abandon everything that makes their lives great for... (checks notes) The rights to control women, marry children, and to burn crosses on their ethnic neighbors lawn.

[-] Donkter 20 points 3 weeks ago

Mostly (and this is probably true for over 60% of Republicans), it's about defunding half of the government programs they rely on but don't realize it, sold to them through the euphemism of "tax cuts".

I think the right to control women is next on the list, but even then we see that even republican public opinion on abortions is stricter than the left's, but would actually prefer less extreme laws than what has been passed.

As much of a meme as it is, most rural religious folk aren't militant about marrying children and burning crosses. We hear about every instance of child marriage cause it sucks so much, and people have been openly, violently racist despite the law for centuries, all it takes is a town full of like-minded people.

[-] Fedizen 88 points 3 weeks ago

some 300 people live in some of those counties, which is like a city block in portland. If they want to be idaho so much why not just move there?

[-] Wogi 52 points 3 weeks ago

I can really sympathize with these guys. I live in a blue dot in one of the reddest states in the country. I have been talking with my friends about doing this exact thing.

Technically this is not secession. It's partitioning. They want to partition themselves and join Idaho. Just like I'd love to partition my city away from the shit hole parasitic state it's attached to.

The state level representation just isn't there for them. They're so dramatically in the minority that they have no voice in state government at all. So changes are mandated to them, and they're disillusioned. They love their home and they want the government to recognize them.

Set aside the crazy bullshit they want. The grievance is legitimate, the government completely ignores their desires, they haven't been able to get the government to acknowledge that, and so they retaliate by saying they don't want to be a part of it anymore.

To be clear, there is no resolution for people in this situation. They have no control over the state government, no ability to change it. The only choice is to leave, and faced with moving or a long shot at leaving or taking your home with you, you'd choose to take your home, every time.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What do they want that Idaho can provide that Oregon can't? Some people have to flee entire states over abortion laws for lifesaving medical procedures and they're told stuff like "well if you don't like it just move".

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

The ability to be more open about being white supremacist garbage. Idaho is a dumpster fire - the state is suffering shortages of medical professionals because of the GQP.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine scraping the money together to move from Idaho to Oregon to protect your health and bodily autonomy, then 300 of your neighbors get together and decide, nope, you’re still in Idaho.

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[-] SeattleRain 19 points 3 weeks ago

This is caused by Gerrymandering and antidemocratic voter suppression. But Republicans don't want to fix those issues because they'd be a regional party overnight limited to just the south.

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[-] Buddahriffic 15 points 3 weeks ago

Though it is only 53% of them that want this. Not that I think that should cancel the entire vote, but it should complicate the situation because a 6% difference shouldn't change the situation into one that 47% don't want.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago

There are natural resources out there that the land owners want to extract. Washington's and Oregon's environmental law is far more stringent than Idaho's.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

Because they like to play dress up pretend "patriot" and fantasize about murdering the blacks and gays.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago
[-] evasive_chimpanzee 24 points 3 weeks ago

Slight addendum: they own small parcels of land surrounded by public land that pay miniscule fees to use as they please for ranching.

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[-] [email protected] 76 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So I am from WA and have been aware of this plan for a while.

This is one phase, and the next phase is to try to do this with as many Eastern WA counties as possible.

And to anyone wondering why this is happening, ya'll obviously are not from around the PNW.

Basically, Seattle, Tacoma and Portland are bastion of liberals and actual leftists. Bellevue is as well, but its only for corpos these days.

Nearly everywhere else west of the cascades is just barely more blue than red, and there are tons of smaller towns with Republican controlled county legislatures and town/city governments.

On the East of the Cascades, in the desert, basically, Republicans are generally in charge of everything that isn't a Reservation.

Its a bit more complex than this, but it is pretty much 'big cities' are blue, mid and small cities and everything else is red.

While I am against this succeeding, I do not think this is as cut and dry, obviously unconstitutional as some other posters here are making it seem.

It is not creating a new state. It is counties voting to leave one state and join another. To the best of my knowledge, this is completely unprecedented in the history of the US.

They've got a whole detailed plan for how to attempt to get this actually done. And they have a lot of judges, and now a popular mandate.

I honestly do not know how this will play out as it will likely hinge on various judiciaries and possibly executive (Governor) moves.

Yes, the state legislatures have to sign off on it and thats a big hurdle to jump, but it may actually be doable if enough political pressure is applied... especially if Trump wins.

It could possibly make it to the Circuit Courts and then the Supreme Court.

[-] jordanlund 63 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I describe it like this... the places where people actually live are blue.

The places where there are more square miles than people are red.

[-] evidences 59 points 3 weeks ago

It should be noted this is true for almost the entirety of the United States.

[-] rayyy 33 points 3 weeks ago

Places where people are poorly educated seem to be mostly red too.

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[-] TechNerdWizard42 47 points 3 weeks ago

While true, this is true in basically every area in the USA. If you have a tractor supply store near your house, you're in redneck territory. If you have a Lululemon, you're in blue territory.

[-] jj4211 18 points 3 weeks ago

Funnily enough I have one of each of those within about three miles of my home.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

Found the centrist.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

There is a legal way to do this:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress

— Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1

Nebraska and South Dakota have a compact that's been approved by Congress that has land swap between the states based on where the river is when particular assessments happen. So land leaving one state and going to another state isn't unheard of. If you go look at NE and SD's border in the southeast corner of SD, you'll see the river and the border is pretty tight. Now compare that to states that have no such compact like Arkansas and Tennessee. River and the border are all kinds of messed up.

The thing is, both Idaho's and Oregon's State assembly will have to vote on it as you indicated. It's not up to the citizens to dictate when a state's border can be redrawn. Once Idaho and Oregon have a compact, they will need to send it to DC for Congress to vote on it. If it passes both the House and the Senate, the new compact can be enforced and the new borders drawn.

From what I've heard Oregon will not even begin to entertain this notion.

But yes, this is completely legal in the Constitution and we've done it before too. And we even have had the case where we took one state and split it into two happen before as well. Virginia and West Virginia. So we've used this part of the Constitution enough to know exactly how it needs to go down.

Is it going to go down? IDK. California said they were going to split up into 3, 4, 5 different States, not holding my breath on that one either. Would be pretty neat to redraw Idaho though. Never liked it's weird long edge on the west side. Now it'll look like someone giving the middle finger or something.

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[-] Pretzilla 66 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yea this might have something to do with it

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/24/people-rights-network-oregon-elections

At least 66 members of far-right group in rural Oregon standing for office

Revealed: anti-government People’s Rights Network, founded by Ammon Bundy, appearing to follow ‘entryism’ strategy

At least 66 members of an anti-government group founded by far-right militia figure Ammon Bundy have attempted to win local positions of influence in the Republican party in Oregon, the Guardian can reveal.

The candidates stood for Republican precinct committee person (PCP) slots in three central Oregon counties in this week’s elections, with some facing no opponent and thus winning their positions by default. The role of PCPs includes electing the executive of the county-level GOP apparatus.

The move is part of what appears to be a coordinated attempt to capture the local Republican party infrastructure, following a far-right strategy of “entryism” into more mainstream political bodies.

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[-] inclementimmigrant 55 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, you Republicans are fucking dumb.

[-] jordanlund 54 points 3 weeks ago

The parts of Oregon wanting this are rabidly anti-tax. The instant they find out Idaho has a 6% sales tax they'll cry and come crawling right back.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago

They'll swallow a 6% sales tax in exchange for joining ~~the white ethnostate of their dreams~~ idaho.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

It's so fucking weird anyone would want to move to Idaho.

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[-] njm1314 44 points 3 weeks ago

This is so damn odd, it's a state. Just move. It's not another country. Shit like this is what makes me think we should just abolish the states honestly. This mindset is weird

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

Some people are too poor to move. Just move is an insane idea and we need to eradicate it.

[-] AnxiousOtter 31 points 3 weeks ago

So moving is an insane idea, but transferring huge portions of land between states is totally rational and reasonable?

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[-] njm1314 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just move is a perfectly legitimate idea when the only reason you want to move is because a political ideology. Not even political ideology wanting to impose your political ideology. If this was an economic issue I would never say just move. If this was a persecution issue I would never say just move. If this was any legitimate issue I would never say just move. However this is obviously, pathetically obviously, none of those things. They don't like the people around them. They're bigots. Bigots should move.

Frankly I think it's absurd that you're even suggesting that they have some kind of legitimate gripe. Equating their issue to anything legitimate is beyond ignorant.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The cost of living is cheaper in Idaho! They’d just be giving up things like 1/3 the per student spending, physicians leaving to avoid idaho’s abortion laws, and face lower road spending, worse unemployment rights… I mean the benefits are right there. For the rest of us in Oregon. Sign here, press hard, 3 copies. Finally we can get rid of those walkout issues in the house.

Oregexit your hearts out. Don’t let the non gendered bathroom handle hit you on the ass as you go.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sure it won't happen, but there's a part of me that would just love to hear that when the negotiations get to Idaho, Idaho is just like "Nah, hard pass, we don't want you either."

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

Idaho can't afford those leeches

[-] Cool_Name 28 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, this isn't greater idaho, this is even worse idaho.

[-] WhatIsThePointAnyway 36 points 3 weeks ago

Just get rid of the electoral college already and stop giving these dipshit minorities a chance in hell of moving this country backwards.

[-] obre 18 points 3 weeks ago

I know what you mean, but... phrasing?

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fuck Idaho. How about instead we go back to Washington Territorial borders and have the Evergreen State annex their whole crooked potato patch. They can have statehood back when they learn to behave themselves.

Washington Territory 1859

[-] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago

Just make all the racists move to Idaho proper. No need to change state lines.

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[-] AncientFutureNow 29 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

How about Nodaho.

No map. It's just a lack of Idaho.

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[-] FlyingSquid 23 points 3 weeks ago

That will make Idaho look even stupider.

And it's already our stupidest-looking state.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So, this sort of thing requires both Congressional and state approval.

US Constitution, Article IV, Section 3.

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

Looking at the map, I'd guess that this isn't because of fundamental geographical differences, but because the current party split tends to be a rural-urban one. Here's a population density map for Oregon:

https://d43fweuh3sg51.cloudfront.net/media/media_files/6ee39caa-dd64-494c-b0c6-bb29e1bbee0e/4ab7be15-971f-442b-8fd0-c1134782a003.jpg

The more rural areas of Oregon, the counties without cities, are, based on current political coalitions, politically more similar to Idaho than to liberal coastal Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_System

The Sixth Party System is the era in United States politics following the Fifth Party System. As with any periodization, opinions differ on when the Sixth Party System may have begun, with suggested dates ranging from the late 1960s to the Republican Revolution of 1994. Nonetheless, there is agreement among scholars that the Sixth Party System features strong division between the Democratic and Republican parties, which are rooted in socioeconomic class, cultural, religious, educational and racial issues, and debates over the proper role of government.[1]

The Sixth Party System is characterized by an electoral shift from the electoral coalitions of the Fifth Party System during the New Deal. The Republican Party became the dominant party in the South, rural areas, and suburbs, and its voter base became shaped by White Evangelicals.[2] Meanwhile, the Democratic Party became the dominant party in urban areas, and its voter base diversified to include trade unionists, urban machinists, progressive intellectuals, as well as racial, ethnic, and religious minorities.

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[-] FuglyDuck 18 points 3 weeks ago

Wait 'till they find out it's all ohio already.

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[-] profdc9 17 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

What the fuck?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You know things are about to get spicy when a state/nation adds the prefix "Greater" to its name

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