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[–] billiam0202 226 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Remember: no Republicans are arguing Trump didn't break the law.

They're arguing he shouldn't be punished for it.

[–] rayyy 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it

They are really arguing that all Republicans shouldn't be punished but if you aren't in the club you get the full blast of the law.

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[–] Broken_Monitor 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yea I think he has to be found guilty of the crime to be pardoned, right?

[–] OlinOfTheHillPeople 30 points 6 months ago

No. Nixon was never charged, but he was pardoned.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I think you have to admit guilt? Which is bullshit because the purpose of a pardon isnt to get guilty people off but to act as a check against judicial power. I'm not sure though.

[–] cogman 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Nope.

A pardon stops all punishment from the judicial system. You don't have to plead guilty and criminal proceedings stop. A pardon further undoes any legal handicap (for example, you can own firearms again).

That said, if you accept a pardon you can't plead the fifth when it comes to details related to the crime you've committed.

There's also a commutation, which is weaker than a pardon. Instead of having the crime fully forgiven you are simply let out of jail with the understanding you committed the crime and must face follow up consequences (like not being able to own firearms).

Finally, there are also conditional pardons. Those are ones where the president could impose a "you must plead guilty" style rule before the pardon can be applied. He could also apply a rule that says "you must perform 10 jumping jacks".

Pardon powers are some of the most broad we have in the US.

About the only limitation is you can't pardon for future crimes.

[–] billiam0202 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.

Yeah, you really want Roberts' SCOTUS to rule on that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] meeeeetch 158 points 6 months ago

Ford was, based on the behavior of the Reagan, W Bush, and Trump administrations, entirely wrong to pardon Nixon. There is no reason to repeat his mistake.

[–] Theprogressivist 108 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And there ya go groveling to your orange master, Romney. What a spineless bitch.

[–] elbucho 105 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, not that we needed one, but I really appreciate you giving us a reminder for why we should never ever make you president, Mittens. It's very thoughtful of you.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Don't worry, at some point he'll say one normal thing and people will remark on how he's so reasonable compared to the others.

[–] elbucho 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It is true, though. If he were to run for president, he'd be the best candidate the Republican party has put forward in 2 decades. And he's still a gigantic piece of shit.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The smallest coil of shit turned out onto the chests of voters in decades!

[–] elbucho 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You certainly have a way with words, my friend.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot 81 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Romney again trying to ride both dicks at the same time.

I, for one, am sick of this whole "Oh lets pardon the past president to protect the institution of presidency"

Presidents should not be above the law. They are not gods, they are not kings, they are elected as representatives.

especially when the one in question turned the white house into a goddamn criminal enterprise

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Seriously, I don’t know why so many people get this wrong!

We give guns to our cops to enforce the laws, and we should have higher expectations for the handling of their weapon than random schmuck off the street licensed gun owner.

We give the military and various other resources and powers to the President to execute the laws. They should also be held to an even higher standard! A bad guy as President can do a million times as much damage than they can as a cop.

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[–] FlyingSquid 78 points 6 months ago

Maybe the ex-president shouldn't have been such a criminal, Mitt.

[–] Phegan 52 points 6 months ago

Mitt Romney is an idiot

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 months ago (6 children)

You didn't even run, bitch.

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[–] LEDZeppelin 44 points 6 months ago

And this guy is supposed to be the “moderate” GOP. Crooks and liars all the way down their bones.

[–] someguy3 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just when you thought he wasn't half bad.

[–] themeatbridge 26 points 6 months ago

Anybody who thought that was half stupid.

[–] hark 37 points 6 months ago

Shut up romney.

[–] AA5B 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I can see discussion if he committed crimes related to being in office, that time was past, and we wanted the country to move forward, but none of that is true. Trump is finally facing justice for crimes throughout hiss adult life and he’s trying to skip justice to gain the presidency. This is not the Nixon situation. Even worse, Romney reasons it “to be a bigger man”, wtf, this isn’t just play acting as part of the presidential campaign

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

And pardoning Nixon just set the stage for Republicans continuing to commit crimes while or in order to get into office.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

If you want to see how bad stuff gets for someone constantly trying to stay in power to avoid jail time, all you have to do is look at Netanyahu

[–] themeatbridge 34 points 6 months ago

Biden can't pardon state crimes.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Presidents should be prosecuted for crimes. They are not Kings and Queens.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hell, kings and queens should be prosecuted for crimes

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, Trump could just try not being a criminal if they care so much about prosecuting an ex-president

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[–] SeattleRain 23 points 6 months ago

Just shows how much of a mistake pardoning Nixon was the first time. Now there's a precedent for giving Presidents immunity to save face.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Wow, this is an impressively stupid take.

[–] foggy 22 points 6 months ago

And that's why you'll never be president.

[–] cabron_offsets 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw 22 points 6 months ago

All I did was post an article, you big meanie

[–] ChowJeeBai 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can't take the snivelling, manipulative, lying scumbag out of the republican, I guess.

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[–] exanime 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

how is this news? we already knew Romney was a turd

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

It may surprise you that a very large number of Republican politicians have spoken ill of Trump in the past, so it always makes it into the news when they flop on the issue and go back to subservience.

[–] Stern 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ford pardoned Nixon. He didn't get elected to a full term after finishing the remainder of Nixons. We can argue about if the pardon was the final nail in the coffin (The economy shitting the bed didn't help, I'm sure.), but I think we can agree it was definitely one of the nails.

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[–] kikutwo 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What? Anyway, that would never happen.

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[–] dariusj18 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I actually had an idea that Biden could pardon Trump, then Trump couldn't plead the 5th when called as a witness against anyone else. So he would have the choice of truthful answers or perjury.

[–] garretble 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Seeing how this current judge has been handling him with kid gloves I wouldn’t expect anything bad to happen to him even if he did perjure himself.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

If I were Mitt I would immediately transfer everything I own to rockandsock.

It's really easy to say what you'd hypothetically do in someone else's place isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Doesn't there have to be a conviction in order for there to be a pardon? Or is that a myth?

[–] Chainweasel 9 points 6 months ago

Nixon got a full pardon and I don't think he was ever charged.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He was talking some sense on his way out, then this. Repubs are incapable of being normal.

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