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[–] billiam0202 226 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Remember: no Republicans are arguing Trump didn't break the law.

They're arguing he shouldn't be punished for it.

[–] rayyy 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it

They are really arguing that all Republicans shouldn't be punished but if you aren't in the club you get the full blast of the law.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

law blast

It's what justice craves.

[–] mPony 1 points 6 months ago

yes it's called Fascism

[–] Broken_Monitor 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yea I think he has to be found guilty of the crime to be pardoned, right?

[–] OlinOfTheHillPeople 30 points 6 months ago

No. Nixon was never charged, but he was pardoned.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think you have to admit guilt? Which is bullshit because the purpose of a pardon isnt to get guilty people off but to act as a check against judicial power. I'm not sure though.

[–] cogman 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Nope.

A pardon stops all punishment from the judicial system. You don't have to plead guilty and criminal proceedings stop. A pardon further undoes any legal handicap (for example, you can own firearms again).

That said, if you accept a pardon you can't plead the fifth when it comes to details related to the crime you've committed.

There's also a commutation, which is weaker than a pardon. Instead of having the crime fully forgiven you are simply let out of jail with the understanding you committed the crime and must face follow up consequences (like not being able to own firearms).

Finally, there are also conditional pardons. Those are ones where the president could impose a "you must plead guilty" style rule before the pardon can be applied. He could also apply a rule that says "you must perform 10 jumping jacks".

Pardon powers are some of the most broad we have in the US.

About the only limitation is you can't pardon for future crimes.

[–] billiam0202 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.

Yeah, you really want Roberts' SCOTUS to rule on that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] billiam0202 4 points 6 months ago

Damnit, that's what I typed but I guess it got autocorrected. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Maybe, maybe not

[–] wolfpack86 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you're remembering some instance where a pardon can expose the recipient to civil liability. Or at least it was theorized it might...

Bannon, stone or one of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Bruh I don't know what I remember