this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2024
66 points (78.0% liked)

Technology

55692 readers
6281 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Across all industries, organizations are rapidly embracing generative AI. Among them, makers of home appliances like fridges and ovens. Generative AI in your oven? Why not? Ater all, AI has been creeping into our homes for years (think smart lightbulbs and Alexa) – but thanks to generative AI, these interactions will become even more human and more personal.

Imagine, for example, asking your washing machine whether it’s safe to wash a beloved item of clothing on a certain setting – literally, asking it out loud or via an app. Or you could say to your fridge, “Hey, when am I going to run out of milk?” and it’ll tell you. Integrating generative AI into everyday products could lead to a new era of smart appliances that are not only more adaptive to our needs but also more interactive and engaging.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] db2 60 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hard pass. I didn't need a Wi-Fi toaster, I don't need this either.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

PronHub on my refrigerator has been a lifesaver though. That is the pinnacle achievement of a lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

What? I’m shaking the salad dressing?

[–] spearz 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are you….? What are you…..? Never mind. I don’t want to know.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] mriormro 38 points 3 months ago

This is so fucking stupid it's almost painful.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

this format of headline needs to die.

“coming to your appliances” no the hell it’s not it’s coming to appliances on the market. which you can choose to buy, or install the app onto.

feels like fatalist manipulation tactics to subconsciously get you to accept that replacing appliances every two years is normal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I mean, it's Forbes. They probably assume you lease your appliances and have them replaced with the hot new model every 12 Months, or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Lol, right?

My microwave was made in 96. Washing machine in 2000.

[–] RGB3x3 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"When am I going to run out of milk?"

Just fucking open the fridge and check! Refrigerators and microwaves and shit don't need AI or connected anything.

The only use case I've ever seen for having a connected appliance is to be able to preheat the oven while you're out and about to get home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It takes more time and effort to access and wait for the AI than it would to just open the damn fridge. Why make things more complicated than they need to be?

[–] gerbler 8 points 3 months ago

Because data collection

[–] AA5B 2 points 3 months ago

Selling subscriptions

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I'm not personally interested in the tech, but I could see it being relevant if your refrigerator is connected to the internet and you are at the store. You could find out whether to buy more or not.

[–] umbraroze 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In the 1980s, 8-bit home computers were sold with slogans like "Kids can use these to play games! And use educational software! And the ladies can use them to keep track of the freezer contents!"

...One of three ain't bad.

Decades later, we still open the fucking fridge to check what's in the fridge. Such is the nature of technological progress.

(Random old person memory: when I was a kid I actually had some "home economy" software for Spectravideo SV-318, found in some random pile of tapes. I only used it once because it was boring, obviously. My father used the recipe book and added "Poop Cake". That was enough recipes thank you very much.)

[–] subspaceinterferents 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't wash that. This wardrobe is too important for you to jeopardize it."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

According to the first law I cannot allow you to wash that shirt, nor am I allowed, through inaction, to let you wash it elsewhere.

[–] pdxfed 2 points 3 months ago

"I'm sorry I can't answer that sweater question. GE AI devices cannot provide answers that might assume any liability for outcomes. But ask us anything."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Have we reached and surpassed peak intellectual curiosity? Did we learn nothing from all the "smart" crap of the last decade? Why is this even an idea someone had, and why weren't they laughed out of the room, presented with a box of their personal effects, and escorted off the premises by security?

asking your washing machine whether it’s safe to wash a beloved item of clothing on a certain setting

Or, you know, just read the damn label on the clothing that tells you exactly how to wash it. If the article of clothing is so beloved, you'd have either read that or ruined it already.

Or you could say to your fridge, “Hey, when am I going to run out of milk?"

OR you could open the goddamn door and fucking look. Jesus christ. It's not like my fat ass doesn't need the exercise or know where the fridge is.

Integrating generative AI into everyday products could lead to a new era of smart appliances that are not only more adaptive to our needs but also more interactive and engaging.

I'll admit, sometimes life can get lonely, but if I start talking to the washing machine, lock me the fuck up in the loony bin.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

I'm am seriously getting tired of having to buy, restore, and maintain antique devices/cars/electronics/etc just to get away from this cancerous "smart" tech shit that is infecting everything.

[–] maxenmajs 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hell yeah, I want my appliances to misinterpret my commands and hallucinate functions they aren't capable of.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

The GREAT Google assistant can't even call a contact on my list if it has a space in its name, I think I'll wait.

[–] bizzle 18 points 3 months ago

I don't want my appliances to be engaging. I want to use them for their intended purpose, and then walk away from them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fuck no it isn't.

[–] grasshopper_mouse 17 points 3 months ago

No thanks. You want me to have a fucking conversation with my washing machine? How is that saving time for me? STFU and run my laundry on cold with low spin like I do every damn time.

Also, what happens next with the fridge? "You've had too much cheese today. Initiating cheese drawer lock." Fuck naw.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I'm imagining it authoritatively telling me it's safe to wash even though it has no idea.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Jokes on you, I can't afford them

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Not to mine it isn't.

I refuse to own an appliance with any kind of networking.

Fuck that

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you really want that for some reason, that sounds like a job for one AI Smart Assistant. Doing it by having a different App and LLM implementation for every appliance seems stupid in so many ways.

Especially if they don't run them local, but essentially bundle the completely different service of a cloud hosted LLM with a fucking Tumble Dryer.

[–] Cryan24 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No it isn't.. not on my watch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A watch being probably one of the few devices where acces to an llm makes sense.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Hard pass. Which ever vendor keeps making dumb appliances gets my money. I can live with basic "smart" appliances as well. The ones that connect to WiFi simply to tell when say the wash cycle is done by sending a message to your mobile. But I don't need no flipping AI crap in my house thank you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These appliances are really just going to advertise products and discriminate about brands aren't they.

I honestly would be apoplectic if my washing machine told me to buy whatever soap.

[–] Jimmycakes 1 points 3 months ago

Insert your microchip tide pod into the machine or it won't start

[–] spearz 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/LRq_SAuQDec?si=fr6bCeF3QXHjAxwE

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] db2 2 points 3 months ago

I'd make an exception for that toaster though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Smart bulbs and alexa count as Ai now?

And the example given. Slap a proprietary llm on every single device.

Just one good llm accessible on a phone or wearable will do thank you very much. All i need is a pdf manual for the device to upload to it and maybe an api for advanced features.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

The idea is that generative AI will enable Samsung products to get a better understanding of how consumers use the products – for example, an oven recognizing what is being cooked in it or a fridge recognizing what ingredients are inside. This could allow appliances to understand users’ needs and respond accordingly.

"Understand users' needs" being a euphemism for "spy on users' habits and sell that info to advertisers."

We've gone full circle: from having a manual for your new appliance, to having a LLM confidently make up some incorrect info about how to use your new appliance.

[–] Bocky 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Dishwashers and toaster ovens are going to become subscription items

[–] eatthecake 5 points 3 months ago

Article even threatens that appliances will order parts snd servicing themselves. This shit is insane.

[–] Shady_Shiroe 3 points 3 months ago

You get 10 wash cycles a month

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI generated recipes

Every AI generated recipe I've seen has been fucked up. Either the ratios are wrong, they miss out or add ingredients, give incorrect temps and cook times, etc.

But I guess if you're terrible at cooking, you wouldn't notice.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Ugh. I don’t want generative AI in any of my appliances. Here’s hoping everything lasts long enough that I can avoid this trash.

[–] Num10ck 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hark 2 points 3 months ago

Not if I can help it. If it's anything like "internet of things" it'll be a dumb gimmick relegated to some overpriced gadgets that I don't want anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As if LLMs are in anyway appropriate for this.... We need to stop putting "AI" in everything and thinking that will somehow solve some problem

[–] isles 1 points 3 months ago

It solves the problem of "I invested billions of dollars in this tech and need to recoup in every possible way"

load more comments
view more: next ›