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[–] derfunkatron 286 points 10 months ago (60 children)

This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.

But, let’s consider:

  1. The Super Bowl is a private corporate event; any song may be performed ceremoniously. That’s protected speech.

  2. Not standing up for the Black National Anthem is whatever. That’s protected speech.

  3. The Black National Anthem is a colloquial title and has no legal status. That’s protected speech.

  4. While there is a statute outlying etiquette for performances of the National Anthem, there are no penalties for not adhering. That’s protected speech.

  5. “America the Beautiful” was also performed and there’s no legal basis for etiquette or participation. This song also has a long history of being performed alongside the Star-Spangled Banner to the point that it’s sometimes referred to as the National Hymn, even though that is a colloquial and non-legal designation. That’s protected speech.

  6. This is apparently the fourth year that “Lift Every Voice and Sing” has been performed at the Super Bowl. That’s protected speech.

[–] JustZ 144 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Republicans are anti free speech and always have been. ✅

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[–] AbidanYre 136 points 10 months ago (4 children)

My favorite part was how they kept mentioning the sign language interpreters and then never showing them again. Like, give them a picture-in-picture or something. Otherwise, what's the point?

[–] joel_feila 56 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And just off camera we have sign interpreters. We wont show them but they are there

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[–] ArtVandelay 36 points 10 months ago

My wife said the same thing during the game lol

[–] FlyingSquid 27 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I'm old enough to remember when shows used to have ASL interpreters in a little window. All the time. But I haven't seen it much since the 80s.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I imagine widespread adoption of closed captioning has reduced the need for ASL interpreters on TV.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 10 months ago (12 children)

What doesn't send them into a meltdown? It's almost like they're the things that melt easily that they're so fond of calling everyone else.

[–] lennybird 42 points 10 months ago

Just like their bigoted positions on LGBTQ+ rights. Like, nobody is forcing you to identify as one. It's literally as respecting someone to be called John instead of Johnathan.

Then righties go, "bUT I dONt lIkE tHaT nAMe!"

So much for individual freedumb I guess.

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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan 120 points 10 months ago (4 children)

"I'm STILL not standing for this divisive garbage. One nation. One anthem."

But kneeling during the national anthem was such utter disrespect that players should be fired?

God. These people are insufferable.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let’s not forget that Kap got that suggestion from a Soldier. These asshats don’t bother with context or nuance, it’s all just too woke

[–] AquaTofana 53 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Bruh I got into such an intense argument with my parents because I defended the BLM protests. They came at me hardcore for "violence" and "destruction of property". I asked them what the hell protestors were supposed to do to draw attention to their cause, and they told me that they would have respected a "peaceful protest".

I then pointed out the fact that Colin Kaepernick's career still hasn't recovered, and that they themselves haven't watched an NFL game since then...so no, they wouldn't. My dad then of course whipped out his favorite "insult": "Fucking Liberal", and then proceeded to tell me that I have no respect for the flag.

The inability for them to think critically is absolutely astounding.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Family is the worst when it comes to this stuff. Mine is all military, it is fucking WILD to me to hear all the old grunts who’d kill a commie for being red back when we were in a Cold War…now they’re telling me why this orange guy says the truth. Propaganda is a hell of a drug

[–] AquaTofana 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's really wild to me, tbh. The military is what made me as Progressive as I am. My father served as well during Desert Storm in the USMC. He traveled around too. Yet I grew up in an extremely conservative household.

I wonder what yours says when trying to reconcile their own cognitive dissonance. It wasn't that long ago that we were actively against Russia FFS,

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They came at me hardcore for “violence” and “destruction of property”.

Same as it ever was.

Nobody question how much of that damage was caused by squad cars plowing through pedestrian traffic and beanbag rounds crashing through store fronts. Nobody ask why there's a cop's night stick protruding from your windshield.

Its those damned violent extremist protesters, I tell you.

proceeded to tell me that I have no respect for the flag

Hey, listen. Maybe if the price of toilet paper hadn't risen so quickly, you'd be right. But I respect the shit out of some cheap disposable material when I'm in a tight spot.

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[–] Sterile_Technique 89 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't take much to rile up the Trumpanzees.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

There are so many snowflakes that you can trigger an avalanche by sneezing.

[–] inclementimmigrant 82 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mean really, what at this point won't send a dumb ass MAGA person into toddler tantrum territory?

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[–] Stamets 81 points 10 months ago

Fucking snowflakes lmao

[–] Ensign_Crab 69 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn't they throw a fit about this last year too?

[–] FenrirIII 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Snowflakes gonna snowflake

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (8 children)

FUCK MAGA. Every single one of them can fuck right off. They are babies, snowflakes, mouth breathing morons. They can't think for themselves, they have to be told how to feel. I wish these lemmings would walk out into the ocean and feed the sharks.

[–] pigup 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] FordBeeblebrox 20 points 10 months ago

They said MAGA already

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[–] clearleaf 65 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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[–] samus12345 46 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I first heard Lift Every Voice and Sing in high school (which was back in the 90s, I'm old) and I liked it, much better than the official national anthem. It acknowledges the atrocities of the past while being hopeful of the future instead of the usual "rah rah our country is the greatest" crap.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Former Arizona Senate candidate Kari Lake responded to a picture showing her sitting down during a performance of the hymn at last year's Super Bowl. Lake said on X, formerly Twitter, on Sunday: "I'm STILL not standing for this divisive garbage. One nation. One anthem."

If she really thought that she'd stand the fuck up.

[–] paddirn 18 points 10 months ago

Oh, so if she wasn't standing, was she kneeling then? Is it ok for them to kneel during the national anthem now?

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[–] NatakuNox 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Explain to them that the American national anthem doesn't represent black Americans because when that song was written black Americans were not free. The American national anthem was a lie then and is a lie now. Land of the free? Back then we had millions of slaves. And now we have millions of slaves.

[–] Son_of_dad 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade, and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy—a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices, more shocking and bloody, than are the people of these United States, at this very hour.

-Frederick Douglas, 4th of July speech

[–] kaitco 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not just that. Look up the subsequent verses of the Star Spangled Banner.

It’s about rounding up “fugitive” runaway slaves. It’s why no one discusses the latter verses.

[–] TheRealKuni 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not just that. Look up the subsequent verses of the Star Spangled Banner.

It’s about rounding up “fugitive” runaway slaves. It’s why no one discusses the latter verses.

This is factually incorrect. The Star-Spangled Banner is about the War of 1812. The first stanza actually ends on a question, which is answered in the second stanza. I actually really like the first two stanzas together. The poetry in the second is beautiful.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watch'd were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
'Tis the star-spangled banner - O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

The only stanza that mentions slaves is the third. It says:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Here the “band who so vauntingly swore” is referring to the British. The “Hireling” refers to Hessian mercenaries hired by the British, and “slave” refers to American slaves who (justifiably) defected to fight for the British, having been offered their freedom in exchange. When the British fled they abandoned those slaves and mercenaries to “the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave.” Problematic certainly, but not about rounding up runaway slaves.

Finally we get the fourth stanza:

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The person who wrote the anthem, Francis Scott Key, was indeed a slave owner, but was a complicated individual. He spoke out against slavery, and actually gave free legal representation to some slaves seeking freedom. That said, he also represented some owners of runaway slaves. Like I said, complicated individual (as are many people who live in times with ethics we rightly find abhorrent).

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[–] dhork 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I bet none of these dingbats complained when we were playing "God Bless America" everywhere after 9/11. MAGA shouldn't be the gatekeepers of patriotism.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Who called it Black National Anthem? Do they say "please rise for the black national anthem"?

edit: NAACP dubbed it that in 1917

[–] homesweethomeMrL 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah MAGA don't word so good. They heard that somewhere and that's all they can think about now.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait. I thought the black national anthem was that From the Window to the Wall song.

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