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[–] [email protected] 220 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Sovereign Citizens are crazy. Who thinks they can live in our society, use the things our taxes built, steal from companies, not follow the rules and laws our society made and just say they are special and get to do it. These people want to be leeches. How about pay your taxes, pay for products and services you use, follow the laws and join the society. We all must live together and there are rules.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago

This is basically the core of Republican ideology. Living off of the benefits of society while claiming to be 100% self made and then destroying the underpinning of that social fabric because it “isn’t needed”.

[–] quams69 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, you're also describing the ultra wealthy

[–] iAvicenna 10 points 1 year ago

They are a bit different, the rich found out how to be leeches while still following the law (or making it seem like they do) whereas these guys are more like both leeching and shouting out loud that they are leeching

[–] Coreidan 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And? We all know the wealthy are leeches and bad for society.

[–] Sheeple 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On another note it's kind of nearly impossible to really at all decouple yourself from society. Even as a literal homeless person who is denied every single benefit of society you're subject to the poaching by tax agencies (I've been there. Imagine building up radio tax debt when you are literally live on the streets).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine building up radio tax debt

I'm sorry, what?

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this person thinks they found a loophole to steal gas and power, and all they have to do is an "I said so" spell, but that the people they're stealing from can't and won't just "I said so" spell right back? "How can I get these people and the cops to stop caring about my theft attempts?"

[–] ganksy 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Special words. Yup, basically the whole principle behind the sovcit movement.

[–] JustZ 19 points 1 year ago

I would argue that the real special words behind the sov cits are "I'll just need your credit card number."

[–] Dultas 12 points 1 year ago

And cargo cults.

[–] Fedizen 11 points 1 year ago

"You're a sovereign citizen, Harry"

[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago (10 children)

so now I’m thinking what is the point

congrats, you’re getting there

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like how they have a guy who changes the meters.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine what that guy is like!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] suodrazah 7 points 1 year ago

And laughing

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

keep the sovcits coming, those are always funny as hell

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have endless sovcit content. Endless.

[–] HappycamperNZ 36 points 1 year ago

Thats both great and fucking terrifying

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like if you're gonna go this hard on being a sovereign citizen, you might as well start actually learning and practicing law

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?

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[–] friend_of_satan 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This person didn't learn anything from Native American vs European Settlers history.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd hate to live next to someone this deranged fucking with gas infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

"The cavalry were not interested in anything I had to say about access to our land"

[–] RampantParanoia2365 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Sounds like going Solar would actually be a smart option for this person. Not that it isn't smart for anyone.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Oh but that would cost money to install. Why do that when you can just steal and spew some nonsense about "private" property.

[–] TheDoozer 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some states still require you to be on the grid, and pay a connection/distribution fee, even if you are providing more energy than you're using.

When I was looking into installing solar when I lived in New Jersey, they said we weren't allowed to have a home battery system to store the solar power, either, due to the potential danger of utility workers on downed lines from unexpected loads (somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes

That's not how that works, there's not really any way to ensure one way flow with an AC system.

[–] TheDoozer 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fair enough, good point.

But there are plenty of failsafe options that could secure power from the house if no power is coming to the house.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Definitely, you can get changeover switches that will isolate you from the grid so you can run a generator etc.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Does anyone know what they're changing the meter to? That's a risky/difficult process, isn't it?

[–] perviouslyiner 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This sounds very British so it is almost certainly a "smart meter" that E.ON are installing (which transmits usage data, and can be cut off or set to pre-pay remotely)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Canadian too, well at least British Columbia. There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.

Something about radio waves and then not being accurate. I don't think these people in this group were trying to steal hydro but more on some health grounds kick to block these new devices from being deployed. I think individual home owners can refuse the new meters much like people can refuse spraying on their road side properties.

In the end as a business person I suspect they served a few purposes for real time accuracy of data collection on the status of demand and the health of the grid, and eliminating the need to send out meter readers to manually read a odometer on a old style mechanical meter.

Unlike others I don't think they were in the Bill Gates lane of trying to microchip you with vaccines to control you and identify a person as well as your cellphone does.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

About the blocking attempts reagarding accuracy; here in the Netherlands the older analog meters could only measure real power. The reasoning is that the new smart meters don't do this, but instead measure in another way, causing consumers to also pay for reactive power. In reality, this isn't true, but the urban legend is strong.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not risky or difficult if you know what you are doing. So given the state of this guys outlook on the world, yes it is very much risky and difficult.

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