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Sovereign citizen changed their gas and electricity meters, that didn't go over so well.
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Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?
Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.
I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.
If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.
The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.
Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.
The logic is that government and laws are backed up with the threat of violence. Unless you can beat them with violence, then you have to play within their rules.
At least they have a system of rules you can play within. Think of a place like North Korea. Being a sovereign there isn't going to get you anywhere but dead.
There are no such things as rights. They are theoretical. Rights are just rules that those with power decided to let you have. Best we can do is try as a collective to make sure that laws provide more good than harm.
So it comes down to what matters more to you: Being right or being free as possible from violence
I understand there are many things way worse then what we have now and in many ways i consider myself fortunate to have the life i have.
“laws are backed up with the threat of violence”
As a pacifist how do i even respond with how much issue i take with that. The word “treat” alone. I do not function like that.
I do make an exception for defensive violence, maybe some other like survival or accidental types of violence, but other than that any use of violent force makes me unwilling to belong to the same group, especially if its systematic, makes me firmly against them.
To me it barely sounds different then sure we sacrifice a newborn now and then but its all in the name of safety you see the gods be mad otherwise.
While i have found a way to be both a member of society (my job provides free healthcare to children) ideology wise i fully resist any oppressive system.
You’re right about rights, though this is a matter of perception. To me rights aren't something that are given, but things that no one can take from you without being morally incorrect. For example as a living being you require food to survive, to deny you food is to commit an act of evil. So the way i see it you have a right to food. As nuance i’ll add that personally no one is really obligation to respect anyones rights or to be good. But as a social creature most surely understand the value of mutual respect and community.
So the lesser evil is still evil, we can and must do better, move forward as a species.
Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.
I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.
If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.
The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.
Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.