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[–] TheDoctorDonna 125 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol people are toxic everywhere.

[–] SuckMyWang 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] TunaLobster 6 points 11 months ago

Suck MY wang!

[–] [email protected] 95 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There is plenty of toxicity, but I don't think it "migrated" from reddit. It's just a property of people.

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[–] Candelestine 55 points 11 months ago

Every time we get a wave of fresh influx, it seems to bring a fair number of upset people here. I'm not particularly surprised, they're coming from a less-pleasant environment just in general.

People do seem to settle down a little bit after they get some time to unwind from that all, though.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not really. Disagreement, even angry disagreement, but only hexbear did I find truly toxic.

Conversely, I had to use reddit recently (to find an old post) and I don't know if its because I haven't been there for months and I'd forgotten how bad it is or if it is actually worse but fucking hell it was like a war zone.

[–] agent_flounder 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah I popped over there for a sec and holy hell what a toxic crap hole. Like, ok, on lemmy there are a few shitty takes here and there. But most of the folks writing them are generally ok and it is a one off. Discussions are mostly good faith and reasonably civil. Signal to noise ratio is so much higher.

On Reddit it is just a deluge of hateful bullshit and most of those post an endless stream of it. Nearly all the discussions are bad faith full of venom and ire pushing propaganda and lies and hate. With downvote brigading and astroturfing galore.

(Mind you I don't see anything from hexbear anymore... Quite a few really bad eggs from that basket JFC)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Big same on that second paragraph.

[–] EnderMB 33 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Honestly, I've found this place to be a lot more toxic than Reddit, especially when it comes to tech.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Somewhat. I’ll use myself as an example.

When I first came to Lemmy, I was more defensive than I realized. I had gotten used to aggressive, obnoxious behavior. Soon, I noticed that wasn’t an accepted norm here. It only took a couple days to realize, but I needed a few weeks to actually get out of the habit. In those early days, I’m sure I brought some toxicity with me.

Now, though, I don’t create, feed, or encourage toxic comments. I just assume it’s an honest mistake, poor choice of words, or someone whose primary language isn’t English. If I choose to reply, I’m friendly, and give them the benefit of the doubt. If a comment seems deliberately rude or trolling, I don’t engage at all.

Also, how nice is it to be able to give (or get) the benefit of the doubt?!? You can make a spelling error without getting three or four pedantic screeds! I didn’t realize how much I missed basic civility until I rediscovered it here!

[–] smort 10 points 11 months ago

Sounds like you’re in a much healthier mindset now! And I think that mindset spreads just as virally as toxicity, both online and in real life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Kudos on the introspection and growth, my friend

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

The communities I frequented in Reddit were pretty positive. I see more snarky comments on Lemmy, but I'm posting more here, so maybe I'm just getting more interactions.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I thought so until I went back to reddit and saw the difference. Just today there was a post on PublicFreakout about Just Stop Oil sitting in front of a bus and over 300 comments wishing the bus driver would have ran over the protestors and killed them. It was actually insane.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah the attitude on Reddit of using a car as a self defense weapon against protestors really baffled me during the BLM protests. They downvoted me like mad when I said it was cringy and sick for them to get so hyped over clips of it happening

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah it's terrible that people wish other people would die due to their beliefs or activism. It's just not necessary and just plain inhumane.

On the other hand I just wish these just stop oil protesters weren't so dumb. I still remember the UK article about them halting a tanker truck. Meanwhile the driver is talking to a news crew saying something along the lines of "Yeah but that's cooking oil"

Then there's the thing about them hiring a hall for a rally and holding a banquet. With plastic cutlery... Like what? You're using oil based shit. At least check yourselves in the mirror before you go out and tell others how to go about things.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I don't know if I've seen more toxicity per se, but I definitely have seen more negativity recently. I remember when I first got here during the reddit protest stuff, everyone was so nice and it felt very refreshing compared to reddit. Now I don't get that feeling. There are still plenty of nice people, but there's just a lot of bitterness regarding the state of the internet right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

As well there should be. Enshittification is here to stay it seems.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Actually had a conversation the other day on Lemmy with another user where we disagreed on a topic.

We did not attack each other or were agressive. So I'll take that as a win

[–] stackPeek 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This place feels too political sometimes. I'm alright with being political, but just with the right amount.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

To be fair, choosing Lemmy over Reddit is absolutely a political choice, hence people here are going to be more politically-minded.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Maybe? I definitely interact with more users lately who seem unable to make a point without being a condescending ass hat at the same time. Couldn't say for sure if they're coming over from Reddit, though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The toxicity here is rather different than what i've experience in Reddit, the kind that make me quit it just like that. It's just too many kids there.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I agree, people around here seem more mature on the whole. In my last year of Reddit, not only was I getting tired of the comment reposting bots, the teenagers subreddit seemed to permeate throughout the rest of the site more.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not really. I've seen a lot arguments on here actually resolve amicably instead just degrading into personal attacks. Also seen people take criticism

[–] JustARegularNerd 8 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I particularly remember seeing two people go back and forth, and you'd have to click "Show further thread" like 6 times before one of them just quit it.

I tend to genuinely feel that the users here are more mature and more open minded.

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[–] Altofaltception 16 points 11 months ago

No, but certainly seems that Reddit has turned into a cesspool of right wing ideology.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've never see that much toxicity on Reddit to begin with. Most of us came due to Spez.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Reddit is a huge site, depends on what subreddits you visited. The news and politics subreddits could be particularly toxic. Some of the "men vs women" themed subreddits were bad too.

[–] lazycouchpotato 13 points 11 months ago

Kinda? Maybe not explicitly toxicity, but some passive aggressiveness.

I've grown pretty accustomed to stuff like that – you get used to it after spending so many years on open forums.

I used to try to "clap back" but I realized that's a waste of time and it doesn't help whatever situation the person on the other side might be going through. I now tend to just move on and keep myself busy with something else.

[–] bhamlin 12 points 11 months ago

I mean, the toxicity wasn't a reddit thing, it was the users. Reddit was big, so many were there. Some of those users moved. So it's here on lemmy too now.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 11 points 11 months ago

I don’t know about toxicity, but I despise seeing the same damn low-effort, popularity seeking, and pointless questions on asklemmy as askreddit is polluted with. Really not a fan, and I downvote every single one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Not really. One of the things that annoyed me on Reddit was posting something and getting told to search the subreddit for a similar topic or question that was posted a over six months ago but people here are pretty chill and willing to engage in a conversation instead of just commenting a joke or "This" or at the very least understanding.

Could be people just appreciate having content to engage with.

[–] Pyroglyph 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I quite liked the joke threads, specifically because they were threads and I could close them all in one tap if I wasn't in the mood.

The "This" and "+1" shit can stay away though. There's an upvote button for a reason.

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[–] theywilleatthestars 9 points 11 months ago

At the very least everyone here seems to be on the same page about women being people, so definitively an upgrade.

[–] DigitalTraveler42 8 points 11 months ago

Me, i am the toxicity that migrated from Reddit, I am Dimethyl Cadmium.

[–] Cobrachicken 8 points 11 months ago
[–] greedytacothief 8 points 11 months ago

I've been called an idiot here a couple of times, but I think I'm drawn to the irrationally angry people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have gotten downvoted a good amount for comments that lean more right or contrarian, I don't really know if that can be helped and that's not the majority of my comments so it doesn't ruin my experience or anything. But it does contribute to an echo chamber.

Mostly annoyed me because on the Liftoff app it wouldn't show comments voted below zero on my profile and I used to want to check back in on the further discussions my comments spawned.

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[–] numberfour002 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you asking about a specific episode or community of toxic behavior that originated there but has found its way here? If so, then my answer is no. Granted, I haven't visited that other site in such a long time, I likely wouldn't know if some specific instance of toxicity here was actually related to something over there. Also, I mostly avoid the communities here that are named similarly to subs over there which always seemed to be a magnet for drama or poor behavior. Mostly.

But if you're asking in a more general sense, then my answer is yes(-ish). I have experienced and seen a fair bit of toxic behavior and numerous toxic users here. In many cases, the behavior and mannerisms mimic the toxicity I was used to seeing on the other site. So, I presume it's something that originated there and then subsequently migrated here, but I obviously couldn't say with complete certainty and absolute proof.

Granted, that's not unexpected, and as other folks have already commented, toxic people and toxic behavior are pretty pervasive and ubiquitous on social media sites.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

A little but it's like a mix of toxicity from multiple sites

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