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"Most of the world’s video games from close to 50 years of history are effectively, legally dead. A Video Games History Foundation study found you can’t buy nearly 90% of games from before 2010. Preservationists have been looking for ways to allow people to legally access gaming history, but the U.S. Copyright Office dealt them a heavy blow Friday. Feds declared that you or any researcher has no right to access old games under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DMCA."

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[–] [email protected] 185 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

Good grief. Some of these games have been on the Internet longer than I have been alive. They are 100-fucking-percent already available on ROM sites. You're just shitting on people's enjoyment for the sake of shitting.

“The game industry’s absolutist position… forces researchers to explore extra-legal methods to access the vast majority of out-of-print video games that are otherwise unavailable,” the VGHF wrote.

The spice must flow, and I can assure you that it already does.

[–] ogeist 91 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

So libraries are also illegal? Books, DVDs, VHS, CDS, etc. You can replace games with any of those.

[–] bassomitron 122 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've been actively fighting libraries over the years, with renewed fervor in the last decade. As numerous others have pointed out before--including the article I linked--if libraries hadn't already been such a long-standing concept for centuries, they would 100% not be allowed to come into existence nowadays. Hyper greed has poisoned every facet of modern society.

[–] slaacaa 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

hyper greed

You misspelled neoliberal capitalism

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Libraries are clearly communist… or anarchist… either way, I hate it!

[–] ArgentRaven 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We used to rent these games from Blockbuster Video! On DVD when we had DVD burners and little to no drm! How did it suddenly not become acceptable?

[–] absquatulate 22 points 1 month ago

Lobbying. The greedy fucks will lobby until they get their way

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[–] MIDItheKID 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

And what exactly is stopping me from scanning library books and uploading them online? Are you going to ban libraries too?

Actually, let's not give them ideas.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They would love to ban libraries.

[–] T156 26 points 1 month ago

If they didn't already exist, it's doubtful they would have been legal to make.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Physical books have no safeguards from photocopying.

I have more terrifying news about museums. We are talking pictures worth MILLIONS just waiting to be photographed.

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[–] GreenKnight23 140 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That's cool. Won't really stop any of the shit that's been happening though.

Good luck corpos, for every pirate you take away ten more will take their place.

hack the planet

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They're trashing our rights!

Hack the planet!

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[–] CosmoNova 134 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Read a comment a while ago that if libraries weren't a thing today and someone would propose them, the FBI would be on their ass and stalk after them for even suggesting such radical views. Copyright law is utterly broken and a disservice to society in it's current form and execution. Politicians need to get their fat fingers out of the stock market by law.

[–] tehn00bi 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I really feel like the source code needs to be released after 25 years. We need to be able to protect older games.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd say it's more intolerably long copyright terms than the DMCA specifically.

[–] seaQueue 47 points 1 month ago

The DMCA is just the icing on top of the 95-120y "work for hire" copyright duration shit cake.

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[–] mPony 76 points 1 month ago (5 children)

FTA

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand. They also argued that there’s a “substantial market” for older or classic games, and a new, free library to access games would “jeopardize” this market. Perlmutter agreed with the industry groups.

So as long as someone, somewhere, might make a penny off of them, they can't be free. Insert your own metaphor here.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

This argument is even more ridiculous than it seems. During the copyright office hearing for this exemption request (back in April), the people arguing in favor of libraries talked about the measures they have in place. They don't just let people download a ROM to use in any emulator they please. It's not even one of those browser-based emulators where you can pull the ROM data out of your browser cache if you know how. It's a video stream of an emulator running on a server managed by the library, with plenty enough latency to make it very clearly a worse gaming experience.

It's far easier to find ROMs of these games elsewhere than it is to contact a librarian and ask for access to a protected collection, so there'd be no reason to redistribute the files even if they were offered, which they aren't.

On top of that, this exemption request was explicitly limited to old games that have been long unavailable on the market in any form, which seems like an insane limitation to put on libraries, places that have always held collections of books both new and old.

All of that is still not enough to sate the US Copyright Office, the ESA, AACS, or DVD CSS. Those three were the organizations that fought against this.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 21 points 1 month ago

It's been demonstrated multiple times that when you make access easy and affordable people will pay for it over pirating it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The same logic would apply to books. ::gestures at library::

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People will just continue pirating those games then.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It sounds like the problem is not with the feds but with the DMCA. It needs to be overturned.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Federal law does not apply to me as a Swede in Sweden.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Nor I, as a sovereign citizen in the United States.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not downloading it, the bits are travelling to my hard drive.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I do not wish to enjoinder with your Game Launcher and anonymous telephony

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Feds are wrong, or would be if copyright continued to serve its original purpose (according to the Constitution of the United States) to create a robust public domain.

All media should be accessible through public libraries, and arguments by federal courts presumes that the public does not have vested interest in content. It presumes the government isn't there to serve the public, which raises questions as to why we have government in the first place.

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[–] wavebeam 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They’re right. I have been using old videos games for recreation. Too bad that they’ve decided to prevent me from paying for the privilege or at least being tracked through library usage and have instead decided it’d be better if I was just an untrackable “criminal”

Either way, I’m enjoying these old games and living my life guilt free.

[–] Bazoogle 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You'd better not also be reading books for fun. By their logic, any recreational use of books from a library should also be considered illegal.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yo ho ho and fuck the police

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago

OK, I'll download them then.

[–] reddig33 47 points 1 month ago (4 children)

“Fair Use” is a thing. Someone needs to go back to law school.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

[–] seaQueue 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Pearson is trying really fucking hard to write that out of the public consciousness. I took an econ 101 class about 12y ago for funsies and the section of the course on copyright insisted that "the rights of copyright owners" were absolute with no exemptions.

[–] GreenKnight23 17 points 1 month ago

Of course, it's in their best interests to falsely educate.

IMO when it comes to educational books that are intended to be used within an educational system like a college, first amendment shouldn't apply. The entire purpose is to educate the public your freedom of speech interferes with facts. Should it be found that your books consciously represented misinformation, the company is automatically found at fault and must recall then replace all books at their own cost and be fined tens of thousands of dollars per book that remains after five years.

Should they fail to replace 80% of all sold books within those 5 years, the entire chain of command responsible will face prison terms no lower than one year.

There were so many textbooks I had through my years of education that were blatantly wrong.

I'm also looking at those schools who want to teach creationism in place of evolution. Can't misrepresent facts when the books you can use get recalled.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] JoeKrogan 41 points 1 month ago

Sharing is caring

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

you can't stop the signal, mal

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

Fine. I'll start my own library. With external storage, and ROMS.

Wait I'm already doing that.

[–] kaffiene 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And thus. Again, piracy seems to be the moral choice

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Pirates now the only ones preserving this culture, yeah

[–] Hackworth 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It aint the country doing this per se... It is the ownrr class using the state against the slaves. Again

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[–] Fedizen 29 points 1 month ago

insane takeover of the public square here.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Land of the Free, everybody

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bought judges belong against a wall, so that we can pick them last in dodgeball.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

stop giving money to lobbyists

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

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[–] m3t00 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

good emulators out there. haven't tried any lately

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