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[–] utopiah 2 points 1 hour ago

Eh... "Robin Li says increased accuracy is one of the largest improvements we've seen in Artificial Intelligence. "I think over the past 18 months, that problem has pretty much been solved—meaning when you talk to a chatbot, a frontier model-based chatbot, you can basically trust the answer," the CEO added."

That's plain wrong. Even STOA black box chatbots give wrong answer to the simplest of questions sometimes. That's precisely what NOT being able to trust mean.

How can one believe anything this person is saying?

[–] menemen 5 points 2 hours ago

It will probably burst, but that does not man that AI will go away completly.

[–] Rhoeri 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] LovableSidekick 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The AI bubble might be the 2020s' dotcom bubble.

[–] D4MR0D 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Crossing fingers it bursts soon

[–] FlashMobOfOne 14 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

If you're invested in these stocks, make sure you have your stop loss orders in place, 100%.

I imagine the bubble bursting will be quick and deadly.

[–] McDropout 1 points 2 hours ago

What are the AI rising stocks?

[–] turddle 12 points 8 hours ago

Set stop loss at 100%, got it 👍

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, AI is really just a surveillance tool than anything else.

When AI "creates" something, it's just pulling up things related to words you typed in and making an amalgamation of what you typed in out of what it has.

The real purpose is for corporations and governments to look through people's devices and online storage at super speed.

this is why you all need to be using end-to-end encrypted storage for everything and VPNs with perfect forward secrecy

do your own research into the history of each provider of those things before you buy it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

It's a lead bubble

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago

They couldn’t keep their heads on fucking straight during the .com bubble, and here they are doing it all over again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago
[–] Veneroso 18 points 16 hours ago

Please please please please please please please please

[–] [email protected] 59 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Always invest in the spades never the gold mine

[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I went to a AI conference and you can just sense how bogus it all feels. Like "Our patent pending AI system references billions of crowd-sourced data points to identify what you are craving for breakfast! Never think about breakfast again!"

And as a engineer speaking with other engineers, we all collectively shrug and just keep taking the money. I'll AI your toaster for enough money IDGAF.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's why Nvidia is making bank right now

[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And AMD won the console wars

[–] LavenderDay3544 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

AMD won because it has x86 CPUs and GPUs.

[–] Veneroso 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Playing the long game.

Meanwhile... At the Intel board meeting..... Qualcomm: (Unzips fly, unfurls testicles, placing them on the table for all to see) "I want to buy Intel".

[–] LavenderDay3544 1 points 12 hours ago

Lol that was never a serious option. Regulators would never allow it. But it was Qualcomm trying to flex for wall street to see.

[–] MooseTheDog 12 points 16 hours ago

People look at the advertising for this shit (and future tech-bro shit) and wonder, "who is this for"? Remember E.L.O.N. Exaggerated Lies Overlooked Narratives

Think of every manager and boss you've ever had. They don't think, they just do. Salesmen convince them using issues that don't exist, to sell solutions that don't really work, to people that don't understand how to use them. Repeat over 70 years and you have the modern American education system.

Now things are different. Money is scarce, things are getting tight. Tech-Bros have changed from a mildly infuriating strategy, to a downright abusive one. These simple minded managers think everything is under attack, and the only solution is what they already have, but heavily monetized and completely unusable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

Yeah, but the 0.1% remaining will take over the world.

Does anyone remember the era when there were a million search engines? Google didn't spawn alone.

Same with Amazon. You think nobody else tried to make an online store in the 90s? Lol.

People are trying to vindicate their dislike of AI, pointing to trends like this as if it were supporting evidence. But saying "AI is going to be a big flop because 99% of companies today will end up failing" is as stupid as saying "online shopping will never work because 99% of online stores will close by the year 2010"

[–] Furbag 2 points 7 hours ago

.com websites didn't disappear after the dotcom bubble burst either. AI is definitely in a massive bubble right now, but something being in a bubble doesn't mean it's going to vanish completely. The AI companies with some substance backing them will weather the upcoming storm.

Full disclosure: I don't hate AI, but I hate that management-types are fellating themselves to the idea of it or the things than it can potentially do, rather than something that is providing them some kind of concrete benefit right now. I'm also mad at consumers for being stupid little sheep and paying a premium for anything that companies just happen to slap an "AI-powered" sticker on. It's like organic produce 2.0 - you have to have it, but we can't explain why, nor can we elaborate on what it does better than it's contemporary.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No one actually thought that they were a good idea it was just a bunch of con artists. It was a bubble for sure but it was an entirely artificially created one. There was no real business behind any of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I would argue that this current AI bubble is artificially created by a different type of conmen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah but in fairness the AI actually does work. You can actually use the AI to achieve things I've never seen anybody achieve anything beneficial with NFTs

My argument really being that there is a potential for real benefit with AI in a way that never existed for made-up digital scarcity

[–] [email protected] 1 points 58 minutes ago

I totally agree with you and once dudes with dollar signs in their eyes stop with craming it in toasters I will be very happy to see where the tech goes.

[–] capital 3 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 17 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Same with Amazon. You think nobody else tried to make an online store in the 90s? Lol.

Fun fact: the first online store still exists. It's Pizza Hut. They launched an experiment for online ordering in 1994. The first company to ever sell a product on the web.

[–] wavebeam 6 points 16 hours ago

Yum brands has always been at the forefront of using tech to sell fast food. This was true then and is true now. Taco Bell has pioneered kiosks and in-app ordering as well as KDS in QSR environments.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Sure, but the difference here was that all those companies were offering something different. Some had better results than others, a better ui, more accuracy in certain niches, etc. But 99% of AI companies now are all effectively reselling the OpenAI API. They aren’t making an effort to differentiate themselves at all. It’s as if Google was the only shop in town, and everyone bought all their search data an algorithms to slap their logo on. That’s just simply not sustainable at anywhere near the scale it is now. This won’t be a 3-5 year decline, it’ll be a 2 month crash.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt anyone is downplaying that. People are just discussing how all companies are pushing A.I into products that don't need it. Idk about you but I'm tired seeing A.I advertised as a feature on every app/site when it's just a gpt wrapper.

[–] LavenderDay3544 5 points 17 hours ago

The rot has even spread into hardware. No one wants die space wasted on a stupid NPU with with less than 1/1000 of the computing power their GPU has and can't be used for anything other than local LLMs which FTI very few people use and those that do tend to have powerful Nvidia GPUs.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago

No shit.

Like all new technologies, there is a time when bunches of companies jump on the band wagon to get in on the action. You can see it all throughout the history of the industrial revolution.

They mostly know that there will come a great weeding out of those that can't handle the technology or just fail from poor management. But they are betting they will be among the 1% that wins the race and remain to dominate the market.

The rest will just bide their time until the next Big Thing comes along. And the process starts over again.

[–] fluxion 17 points 21 hours ago

AI companies specializing in spreading bullshit all across the internet have a bright future however

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, but thanks to the glory of corporateworld, all the people involved in making these decisions will be in a higher position at a different company by the time the consequences come knocking.

You definitely will not regret spending billions of dollars on GPUs and electricity bills.

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