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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

while funny, it would cause me so many headaches either directly or indirectly that is completely cancels out

[–] EncryptKeeper 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It would cause me a large number of professional headaches but I still think it’ll be funnier than that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My company didn't jump on the .io bandwagon, so it would just be a bunch of random dead links.

So for me, it should be net funny.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

One of our spinoff companies wants to act so badly like a start up and be edgy they moved everything to a .io domain. This would be icing on the cake for how cowboy they manage everything.

[–] Magister 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yes, there is laws, IANA says that ideally in 3-5 years all the .io will be gone, like the .yu ones, they do not exist anymore.

[–] coolmojo 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The .su domain is still active and the Soviet Union does not exist for more than 30 years now.

[–] Magister 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yes because at the time they didn't know what to do, and gave .su to the .ru guys. For .yu it was also a little bit messy with multiple new countries wanting to control it. This is when IANA made laws to properly handle end of ccTLD like this, .yu does not exist anymore, it will be the same for .io

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/su.html

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/yu.html

[–] jj4211 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I doubt it. The cited precedent of .yu didn't have a ton of big international commercial interest, but .io does.

They will absolutely find a rationale to change what io means when ISO retires io. The "laws" will be tweaked, ignored, or loopholed around.

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[–] tigerjerusalem 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ this will be a major pain in the ass if it goes through... I'm really not in the mood of having to reconfigure all my self hosted services to a new domain.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do it anyway. Having anything behind a TLD that is tied to the political control of a tiny geographic area is insanely careless

[–] tigerjerusalem 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Maybe, but I had no idea this was tied to a country. I thought it was a novelty tld, like xyz and art. You know, like input/output so io.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

All two letter domains are country-code domains.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Considering my instance has .io domain, I hope not

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

I'm surprised it's not mentioned in the article, but also complicating this situation is the Chagos refugees seeking to take control of the TLD and/or receive reparations from the current registrar.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Nooo, what will become of my beloved fedia.io?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

RIP my @tuta.io email address lmao

[–] Blaster_M 13 points 1 month ago

RIP itch.io

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No.

Why would Mauritius turn down a source of revenue?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Because .io is the top level country code domain for the British Indian Ocean Territory, and once a country ceases to exist, the top level domain is supposed to be phased out according to the IANA rules and eventually discontinued by the ICANN.
There are no .yu, .dd, .cs, or .tp domains left. The only exception I know is .su (soviet union).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well they better make another damn exception.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only reason .su still exists is because Russia said they would decommission it and then never did. ICANN chose not to let that happen again, which explains their choice to decommission the later ones.

[–] WhatAmLemmy 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What the fuck is the point of decommissioning them entirely, though? What value does that do anybody? Is there another country waiting in the wings? There are 1500 TLD's already.

The obvious non-dickhead solution would be to transition the mgmt of .io from a ccTLD to a gTLD. "Rules" is not an answer.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole concept of "national" TLDs is proving to be a rather poor one in practice. Very few of them actually make sense in the way they're used.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That sounds more like an issue of enforcement than anything. If anyone can register a domain with your country's extension, it's not really your country's extension.

If we handled it properly, those domains would have value.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Still, too much money on .io to be shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Maybe. But it's up to ICANN and their rules, money might not be relevant to them, and with .io, there literally isn't a single person or company that uses it "correctly" as country TLDs are primarily intended to be used by entities connected to that country, and the territory has no permanent residents, unlike with .su.
On the flip side, that might work for the case too as well - maybe ICANN decides to make it a generic TLD, like .com or .org instead as it's not really directly connected to a country?
We shall see.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

as country TLDs are primarily intended to be used by entities connected to that country

Primarily, sure, but quite a few of them get abused, check the notes column. A glaring one these days is .ai, as are youtu.be and, of course, goatse.cx.

[–] billiam0202 15 points 1 month ago

Tuvalu make around $10 million a year- about one-sixth of their gdp- from licensing .tv.

[–] jj4211 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

money might not be relevant to them

Hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why would how much money Mauritius might or might not make be any relevance to ICANN, a US non-profit?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Well, they should have chosen a gTld

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

.io is just too big to fail.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's plenty of non country domains too. Just make it into some acronym or have it mean I/O or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are sure, but none are two letters because those are restricted to country codes. Specifically the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

IIRC two letter domains are reserved for country specific domains, the non-country domains start with three letters.

[–] toynbee 7 points 1 month ago

For anyone who is not familiar, your day would surely be improved by watching the Map Men video on this topic.

[–] Dasnap 6 points 1 month ago

"They have to get rid of it unless they decide not to."

I assume it's just gonna be inherited by Mauritius.

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[–] guy 9 points 1 month ago

Really not looking forward to the idea of github.io links all becoming dead. So many repos with documentation at a github.io URL, with those links spread all across plaintext files and Stack Overflow and forums

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

fight for chagossian self-rule so that we can keep having .io addresses

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why not just let people have whatever suffix they want?

[–] EncryptKeeper 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They do, that’s why this is an issue in the first place. The purpose of ccTLDs is to host domains associated with a particular country. If the country stops existing, there’s no reason to use that country’s ccTLD. The problem is they let anyone register domains under this ccTLD even if they have no association with that country, hence the situation we’re in.

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[–] AA5B 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some amount of organization is a good thing for many reasons. Think of an analogy to roads where basic traffic rules allow everyone the freedom to travel wherever and however but subject to the rules of locales. Feel free to pick your own domain within any generally recognized top level domain, according to the rules established by that tld.

In particular, two character top level domains are reserved for ownership by specific countries. They get to say who can have a presence there, under what standards, and they deserve any profit made from that. This was a way of giving everyone a voice, to expand it beyond the us, to give many interests their own home

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