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Sneaking in a work from home day could soon be a bit trickier thanks to a new update coming to Microsoft Outlook.

The email provider is rolling out a new feature that will allow users to spot which of their co-workers or colleagues is currently in the office, and therefore possibly free for a quick meeting or able to reply to a message.

The update will use the Work Hours and Location information stored within Outlook to offer up this information, meaning there may be some awkward conversations if your colleagues believe you to be in the office.

In its entry in the Microsoft 365 roadmap, the company notes that the feature will be "always on", meaning there may be no getting around what it represents as your office presence.

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[–] 800XL 1 points 18 minutes ago

Look. You are incapable of doing work anywhere but the office. Your collaborations severely lack. Somehow tho, when the executive class spends 10 hours in email it's innovation. When you do it, you're unproductive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

So they are using the information they have in Azure/Entra about where you login from and presenting it to other users through Outlook/Teams?

Seems fine as long as they don't include your exact address.

[–] I_Clean_Here 20 points 9 hours ago

Complete nothing burger

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

It's already started for me today. Teams now snitches on those who are remote and there's no way to shut it off. My status is no longer just "Available", it's now "Available, Out of office". Fuck Microsoft!

[–] gmtom 1 points 14 minutes ago

Do you not have a work VPN?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago

soon "Available, Out of office, Single, Virgin, Allergic to milk"

[–] tanisnikana 19 points 8 hours ago

This is because you’ve accepted a meeting that happens at a location not in the building; for example, someone else’s PTO reminder that they’ve invited you to. Decline that invitation, and you’re fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

Fuck the technocrats.

[–] werefreeatlast 32 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Outlook will soon know if you're properly dressed for work while you're WFH in case you're not. They will detect pink pixels on your camera. They will detect gurgling noises, thuds, clapping noises, spitting, long wave vibrations such as fun chair bouncing and short wave vibrations such as clipping your hair sounds. The future is worthless! I mean endless!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So what if my boss knows when I'm fapping. Why else would they have scheduled an "all hands"?

[–] werefreeatlast 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Ain't no "I" in team, brother.

All. Hands.

Look to the left of you. Now look to the right. Now grab both them dicks.

Edit: shit, I'm sitting between my dogs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Soon Microsoft full body detection (including feet)

"Those loafers sure don't look like heels Jenny! I expect you to be in your office attire at all times during work hours."

[–] [email protected] 64 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Boy I hate MS, and I hate Outlook, and MS Teams, and offices, and companies, and work..

Yet, I'm failing to understand what I'm supposed to be angry about here, can someone help?

From what I understand, you set the work hours and people will know if you're working or not based on that..? It doesn't sound too controversial to me.

Do people stay home without telling anyone and they wont be able to do that anymore? Or what?

[–] TipRing 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I am in the middle of trying to get e911 functional for Teams direct route calls, based of lis data, my Teams can't correctly determine the state I am in, much less my current address. It took multiple tickets to get our corporate headquarters to show up correctly instead of an address a half-mile away.

I forsee getting a lot of tickets from this feature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Shit, wtf? Don't you set the location yourself? Why don't they just ask your city or something instead of trying to play smart?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

It very clearly says it'll be using your work hours and location information. MS is turning your hardware into a GPS tracker for your company.

[–] Mbourgon 32 points 14 hours ago

Except since there’s no actual GPS tracker, it uses your IP address. Microsoft thinks I live in either Virginia or North Dakota or Florida, depending on which part of the company’s VPN I connect to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

MS is turning your hardware into a GPS tracker for your company.

I hate to break it to you but they are logging your location every time you log into their hardware... if you are using your own hardware, stop being an idiot and make your daddy buy you equipment required to do your job for him.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

pssh I wish I could use my own hardware. even if you get a great machine at first they never upgrade. do it like phones where you get an allowance if you use your own for work. I'd dual boot and always have top of the line

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

if hey pay you allowance, that's fine from economic perspective. i would still be a bit concerned from privacy side tho of sharing work and private device for anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I would never allow non-corp equipment to connect to our network.

[–] [email protected] 162 points 17 hours ago (12 children)

Wouldn't your coworkers already know you're working from home by, you know not seeing you at the office?

[–] afk_strats 109 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

When I worked in an office, most of my team was in other offices across the world. But we had to be in the office for that TEAM BUILDING

[–] [email protected] 23 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

> Go to the office

> All meetings are on teams because half the team works on other offices.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 7 points 10 hours ago

Even if the whole team is actually in the conference room…it’s one dude with a laptop who struggles to get the display working for 10 min then proceeds to just read the PowerPoint out loud.

None of this required me putting on pants or being part of traffic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yup.

Daily stand-up meeting

On the phone because we're decentralized

Everyone's actually sitting + hardly anyone's even paying attention because they're at their computers

[–] [email protected] 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, pleb, build that team 🤡

[–] WhatAmLemmy 11 points 15 hours ago

"Sent from my yacht"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's... incredibly dumb.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 7 points 11 hours ago

Even worse, it's completely real. It was the common situation for me before corona. Also driving an entire day for a 1 hour meeting.

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[–] jordanlund 1 points 7 hours ago

My co-workers are also rarely in the office, so it makes no difference. ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Maybe head honchos don't go into the office all the time and aren't aware if the lower managers are working from home potentially

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

If your company is nationwide and has offices all over the country and you work on a distributed team where some people are on the west coast, some are central, and some are on the east coast. In this such event, none of your teammates will physically be able to tell if you are in the office. That’s what this feature is for.

So we can all continue to work from home, from a prescribed office of our employers choosing.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ahhh the gigantic benefit of seeing a cubicle in the background of your zoom. Thanks Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We’re concerned that your home doesn’t look soul crushing enough. Please upgrade your home office by installing fluorescent tube lights and covering your walls with rough faded blue grey cloth, or we’ll need you to come into the office.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I don't get the problem. Isn't this the entire point of registering your work location in outlook? Why would you add it and be surprised if others can see it?

The update will use the Work Hours and Location information stored within Outlook to offer up this information, meaning there may be some awkward conversations if your colleagues believe you to be in the office.

https://www.techradar.com/pro/watch-out-microsoft-outlook-could-soon-give-away-when-you-re-sneakily-working-from-home

Microsoft 365 can help you manage and share your work schedule. New features allow you to specify more details about your work schedule: from where you’re working (remotely or in the office) and whether you work different hours on different days. In addition, you can schedule meetings with others based on their work location, view the work location on people’s profile card, and see your out of office time reflected in your location.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/set-your-work-hours-and-location-in-outlook-af2fddf9-249e-4710-9c95-5911edfd76f6

The upcoming update even allows you to not share your location (Again not sure why you wouldn't share your location since that's the entire point of adding your location but whatever): https://windowsreport.com/outlooks-work-hours-and-location-statuses-will-become-optional/

Am I completely crazy or is the article from tech radar complete bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don't pretend I am in the office when I am not. I don't even bother with hiding yellow. I am avaliable during business ours to get things done.

If there is nothing to get done. I am shoot shit with coworkers in the office or doing laundry at home. If you need me, ping me and I will magically appear to take care your needs.

Nice system, barely needs any management but they keep trying to "contribute" 🤡

[–] stoly 1 points 5 hours ago

Exactly. Part of it is whether you’re doing assigned tasks. Part of it is being available for questions.

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