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[–] FardyCakes 93 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Am I the only one that is seeing this as a joke referencing Stalactites and Stalagmites? Like I also think that it fits as a good thought experiment, but is the joke so obvious that no one is stating it? Or is am I just reading something into it that's not there?

[–] AA5B 41 points 1 month ago

I’ve only read your comment so far, but I thought it was obvious enough to be surprised your comment was in top

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 month ago

You seem to be one of the few commenting so far.

[–] d00phy 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I used to get them confused until a visit to Luray Cavern. The tour guide explained that one “held ‘tite’ to the ceiling while the other just ‘mite’ reach it.”

[–] DocMcStuffin 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's easier than that: c for ceiling, g for ground.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

They look like:

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[–] DharkStare 6 points 1 month ago

The joke is so obvious there's no need to comment on it so others, including myself, are using this as an opportunity to post our opinions on the difference between sci-fi and fantasy.

[–] hate2bme 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stalactites hold tightly to the ceiling.

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I always liked the distinction (I forget who originated it) that science fiction is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by physics and fantasy is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by the author.

[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Star Wars is absolutely fantasy that happens to be set in space

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't know if you're brave or foolish, but either way, vaya con dios. The Star Wars fans are relentless.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I can only speak for myself, but as a Star Wars fan, I'm very aware it's fantasy. Shit man, it's got wizards.

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[–] Bahnd 7 points 1 month ago

The people who hate star wars the most are themselves the biggest fans of star wars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I also think that the Last Jedi is one of the better Star Wars films, so I'm quite used to my Star Wars opinions being the subject of definitely very polite disagreement

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate 4 points 1 month ago

Oh, it's fantasy

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Science fiction is based in reality and usually just extrapolates what we know is scientifically possible, just not with current technology. They can usually explain how stuff works because it's based on real science to some degree.

Star Trek is science fiction.

Fantasy really just follows the rule of cool. If it's cool, throw it in. It's based on nothing but what the writer thinks is cool as shit.

Star Wars is future fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely 100% wrong.

Star Wars is ancient fantasy, it happened A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy Far far away

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[–] pHr34kY 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The best rule: It's fantasy if there is a sword.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Tachyon beams: sci fi
Batleth fights: fantasy

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[–] Caboose12000 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

science fiction is in space and fantasy has castles.

I will take no further questions.

[–] blackbelt352 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Counter point Star Wars. Magic powers, magic swords, rescuing princesses, chosen one prophesies.

[–] MIDItheKID 19 points 1 month ago

Star Wars is 100% a Space Fantasy. A boy goes on an adventure accompanied by a wizard to save a princess and become a knight.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

as the other commenter said, there's very little science fiction in star wars. It's more fantastical creatures and magic and shit. it's actually fantasy. Star trek however, that's scify

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

If it's not from the fantasy region of middle earth then it's just sparkling fiction.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why does this analogy make sense to me for some reason?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Fantasy is almost alway low-tech, Sci-fi is almost always high-tech. As such, fantasy tech levels could be compared to starting low and going high, while sci-fi starts high and then goes low as it tries to explain the concepts it's introducing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 1 month ago

Can I have some of those drugs please?

[–] EvilFonzy 5 points 1 month ago

I believe I am currently on those drugs! To me, this means that sci-fi is usually written starting from the universe and then focuses down to the individual, but fantasy is written from the individual up to the world. Sci-fi has more of a universe building focus and fantasy has more of a personal and character development focus.

[–] DarkCloud 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because in the classical Jungian style of analysis, imagery of the basement of a childhood home was a revisiting of the past.

Likewise "up from the floor" indicates ancients coming up from caves, ancient monsters to be slain, underground dungeons. The primitive unchained and revisited.

...and using Freud's principle of the inversion; down from the ceiling is indicative of from the future.

Prometheanism, featuring stories of Science only taking us so far before we fall from the ceiling, or rather it chaotically falls on us.

The idea that a return to primative barbarism and violence can also come from above, from technology, from the future unknown, from advanced beings, complex plans, or outter space.

So whether it's up from the floor (ancient past) or down from the ceiling (unknown future) - it's coming for us, with risks and dangers we're not ready for...

...or so the stories go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I, too, love stories of otter space.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] kamenlady 6 points 1 month ago
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[–] DharkStare 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would argue that science fiction and fantasy are the same thing and the only difference is the explanation for how all the cool stuff works.

Functionally, there's no real difference between a portal that takes the characters to another world using a wormhole and one that does it through through magic. Just like how there's no difference between Vulcans/Klingons/Wookies and Elves/Dwarves/Beastmen. Both are intelligent non-humans.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

There are disappointingly few epic space battles in fantasy though.

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Enders Game instilled the importance of adjusting your frame of reference. What was up can become down.

So it’s science fiction but when you consider a collaborative global human response to existential danger it’s fantasy.

But the Shadow series shows how quickly we go back to weaponizing and using gifted war trained children as tools of conquest… so realism/horror?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been reading stories from the Hatsune Miku rhythm game app, that almost straddles the line between urban fantasy and unexplained sci-fi. The premise is that instances of the vocaloids live in personalized virtual worlds for different (small) groups of humans. The humans can teleport to these worlds by playing a special song on their phone, or the vocaloids can project themselves as holograms from the humans' phones. It's almost sci-fi because it mostly works within constraints of technology. For example, you get booted out of the virtual world if your phone runs out of battery, and if your phone gets shorted out, it can prevent the vocaloids from projecting themselves until the phone is repaired (though if the phone still works otherwise, they can voice chat.) Also the special song can be transferred to different machines and still works. But then what makes it more fantasy is that the song and worlds are created from the humans' feelings (and if they lose the song, a new copy will appear for them,) and it works without internet connection (if one member of a group is stranded and another isn't, they could have a vocaloid relay a message.) And then just recently I read a chapter where some characters were able to access their virtual world through their dreams, without needing the song file in the first place. For me, that's what completely tipped the scale into urban fantasy.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And the one, floating in through the open window … how was that called again?

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] capt_wolf 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But what if there's bats? Bats typically aren't on the floor!

[–] themeatbridge 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bats on the floor are obviously Rats, because the bottom of the B is obscured by the puddle they're standing on.

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[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 month ago

If it's on the ceiling, it's a Bat-Cite and if it's on the floor, it's a Bat-Mite.

spoiler

Pictured: Bat-Mite

[–] zloubida 6 points 1 month ago

Fantasy is right-leaning while SF is left-leaning. Easy peasy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Fantasy is when there's magic, sci-fi is when the magic has specific terminology.

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