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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] dohpaz42 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Shit, y’all could’ve saved a ton of time and effort if you’d have just asked me; I’ve been saying this for years. And it’s only worse when you’re the one speck of blue in a red sea.

[–] Viking_Hippie 20 points 6 months ago

It's one of those things that are obvious to reasonable people but it's nice to have proof for when you run into unreasonable people who deny it.

[–] _number8_ 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i love getting scolded about voting when even if I personally managed to pull off a miracle and convert one thousand people to vote for biden, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

[–] dohpaz42 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

jUsT VoTE!!1!!11

As if voting for president makes any difference, when it’s the electoral college who makes the final decision. And they’ve proven in the past that they’ll do what they want.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The sudden spike coincides with the Citizens United and SpeechNow SCOTUS decisions.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's been trending for some time. Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" describes a host of national policies that were intensely disliked when they began and only became normalized after years of mass media manipulation.

The Drug Wars, opposition to the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements, most of our wars after WW2, our large scale claw backs of social spending and ballooning security state budgets, our habit of subsidizing sports stadiums and toxic waste sites, etc - all need regular continued media investment for fear of a popular turn.

SCOTUS widened the spigots for political spending in pursuit of these goals. But it's not like the WSJ or AM Radio or the cable news companies weren't already flush with propaganda before the CU decision. It's not like CU was necessary for the volume of social media manipulation, either.

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[–] Sanctus 33 points 6 months ago

I remember watching this nearly 6 years after release and how relevant it still was. It still is relevant. End Citizens United if you want to even begin to take our country back.

[–] poorlytunedAstring 28 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I understand that this is a doomer sub but man. When you manage to get away from all this social media bullshit for a while then try to poke your head in you realize how relentlessly negative it is at all times, because nobody wants to actually do anything about anything, including go the fuck outside and forget about it for a bit, and everyone with any ambitions of sanity leaves.

Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow? Absolutely the fuck not, never, ever ever. The shit is very literally crazy, I don't know what I was trying to expect.

But this post is so much like the other posts on the rest of the site it took me a minute to notice where I was. Might as well stop acting like this is just one community, it's everything.

[–] ameancow 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow?

I say this constantly, and everyone nods along happily when I say it, but almost nobody does it. What is it? It's getting involved in your local politics.

The federal government, the US congress and senate and all the executive branch.... they're all supported and propped up by powerful institutions within the states that got powerful because nobody paid it any attention and still don't. People get elected to represent us who run without opposition and then we wonder why nothing seems to change.

If you get involved with knowing who in your neighborhood, your school district, your city, your county and your state represent you, and then challenging that representation in any way you can, from actually running all the way to just getting on those horrible neighborhood forums and holding yard-sales to get to know your neighbors.

GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. Jesus, this country is terrible about this one huge thing that could change everything, which is reforming communities. We scream and cry how bad the world is and make ZERO effort to make it better by forming support systems within neighborhoods. I mean fuck, most suburban neighborhoods have nothing else to do, might as well have some bake sales and yard sales and jogging groups and other things to help get to know each other, right? Or has all our cynicism completely overshadowed any possible chance of ever forming friendly communities in the US?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Get involved with Represent.Us, the site that was linked to.

They have a pretty good strategy, and they have been making progress.

Governance is discouraging because it’s complex. And when things are complex, it’s difficult to see progress and it’s easy to predict that there will be problems.

It’s also difficult (and unrewarding) to have serious conversations about this stuff on social media.

The posts get too long, with no satisfying simplistic conclusion, and even if you make an incredible magnum opus of a post that acknowledges enough complexity to be realistic while also being short and snappy enough to catch people’s attention… it drops off of the trending posts algorithm after a day.

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[–] Takina_sOldPairTM 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

MJ's "They Don't Care About Us", still relevant to the times.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That's because y'all won't fucking VOTE

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[–] yokonzo 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Abolish the electoral college

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gradually_Adjusting 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The fact that I'm 100% confident this will never happen, and absolutely needs to, convinced me to leave the states.

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[–] cultsuperstar 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how badly they can fuck up the country.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how ~~badly they can fuck up the country.~~ much they can grow their own bank accounts.

The destruction of the country is just a byproduct of their greed. :(

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Each congressperson represents too many people.

We need to add seats to the House of Representatives.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Quintuple the number of seats in each district, use Sequential Proportional Approval Voting to elect the five members of each district.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Is this the ~~20~~ year old study being pulled out for 2024 election cycle?

PS 10 years

[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass 28 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Do you think it's gotten any better?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

careful lol, it’s 10 years old. sep 18, 2014. not sure if that was a typo or an exaggeration but it is technically a mistruth.

https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-

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[–] inclementimmigrant 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's not like the public pays particularly well unlike bribery, I mean lobbying groups.

[–] Maggoty 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't think people realize how much graft is built into the system.

  • Bribery is near impossible to prove. (Thanks SCOTUS)
  • You can effectively keep left over campaign funds.
  • Insider trading does not apply to you.
  • Your paycheck is expected to cover 2 offices, staff at each, 2 homes, frequent travel between them, and your political advisors.
  • Fundraising is organized by the party, stay on their good side and you get help and resources to raise money. Introduced to the right people, etc. Get on the wrong side and get cut off.

It's no wonder our elected representatives treat small donations like mana from heaven, we're effectively paying them. And they treat the capitol building like a stock trading room because that's their real retirement fund, their key to independence from the party.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

In the last 5 years alone, the 200 most politically active companies in the U.S. spent $5.8 billion influencing our government with lobbying and campaign contributions. Those same companies got $4.4 trillion in taxpayer support — earning a return of 750 times their investment.

An no one bats an eye... you should be rioting in the streets

[–] Ultragigagigantic 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If we replaced first past the post voting with a more representative electoral system, we could inject competition into the electoral process.

Then maybe they would have to care.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Representatives chosen by sortition like jury duty would be more representative compared to what we currently have, and that's such a wild thought.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They don't like it if you tell them that you hope their family dies in a bloody revolution because they are were too cowardly to vote to convict Trump, though.

so i've heard

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (9 children)

And a lot of this comes from not fucking voting. I seriously wonder how things would be if voting was mandatory and everyone was given appropriate time off to do it.

[–] Viking_Hippie 18 points 6 months ago
[–] CitizenKong 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In Germany we only vote on Sundays and it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. We're still lucky when more than two thirds vote. People are in general are lazy and stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

as long as they vote along party lines more than according to what the politicians do, number of votes does not improve this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry but mandatory vote solves nothing. You'll still have a lot of people alienate about politics and now they had to vote and they'll make their choices like a popularity contest.

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[–] PopOfAfrica 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I think it's exactly the opposite. They don't have to do anything that people want to vote for them anyway.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 7 points 6 months ago

You can vote for whichever politician you like, so long as it's AIPAC approved.

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[–] Snowclone 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

No one with power will ever pass laws to reduce their power, but a direct democracy would be very posible with modern technology.

[–] jas0n 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That would be nice in the future. Unfortunately, the modern Web is not even in the ballpark of being secure enough for something like that (and it's trending worse, not better).

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[–] Mediocre_Bard 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah, no shit.

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