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[–] [email protected] 166 points 7 months ago (138 children)

every time i see a "leftist" talk about not voting for biden, and thus supporting trump...

[–] humorlessrepost 81 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed in the general election.

Strong disagree for primaries.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Primaries are for voting with your heart, the general is for voting strategically

[–] humorlessrepost 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Primaries are for pretending we’re a functioning democracy. The general is for acceptance.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago

My local district flipped blue for the first time in decades, local elections and primaries are very important

[–] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I'm sorry, it's probably considered some sort of a smug European truism by now, but I have to say it. There is no left in the US two-party system. It's right or center-right, that's the choices you have, a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

used to be... now it's fascism vs. center-right

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[–] sep 23 points 7 months ago

Is it really center-right? I think it is more far right and facist extreme right. Atleast when observed from scandinavia

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[–] Sanctus 16 points 7 months ago

Our voting system sucks

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[–] psmgx 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Accelerationism is literally foreign propaganda, and has its roots in a few European leftists that had their views hijacked as a way of pushing radicalisation to status quo liberals.

[–] whereisk 32 points 7 months ago

It's literally nonsense, and the equivalent of Christian Zionism / eschatology in that it's a set of incredibly harmful, baseless beliefs that advocate for mass misery in the name of vague hope of an accelerated magical delivery of human kind to a new era of happiness and joy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

The US is well past the point where radicalization is an unreasonable response. It's radicalization paired with stupidity that's a problem, and that's what we have with the accelerationists and MAGA.

[–] Thrashy 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (19 children)

I used to know a poli-sci researcher who was trying to take a big-data look at the success and failure of revolutions, taking in variables like "how many demonstrators rallied against the government?" "How many dissidents were disappeared by internal security forces?" and even things like "how many bullet holes are there on the buildings around the main protest venue in the capital?"

I asked him once if he'd discovered the secret to a successful revolution, and he just grimaced at me.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 29 points 7 months ago

I love how people take the Soviet revolution as some sort of example of success, when what actually happened was that the original government collapsed because it was getting the shit kicked out of it by Germany, then a new government took over and got the shit kicked out it of by Germany before also collapsing, then the Bolsheviks strolled into literally empty government buildings and took over - against the judgement of most of the Bolsheviks who still thought the time wasn't right to take over. Hardly a replicable or generalizable sequence of events.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

North Korea 2024

People don't seem to realize, as it becomes easier to automate and maintain oppressive systems, the more scarce that democracy will be. Ask Russians.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

It's necessary to hold two truths: liberalism always leads to fascism and accelerationism does not prevent fascism. So one should both delay the inevitability of fascism by participating in liberal democracy and do everything possible to make liberal democracy unnecessary as quickly as possible before the collapse.

The thing that can be especially hard for some people to understand is that not everyone experiences fascism at the same time. It's not a switch. It's a decline. Some people have been expecting fascism for decades or generations now. So people will be at different places in terms of interacting with the system. We are all trying to survive. We need as much time as possible to build a resistence movement, but, at the same time, no matter what compromises we get via electoralism those can be destroyed instantly if we only rely on the state to protect them.

[–] BeMoreCareful 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Since when is accelerationism associated with the left? This is righty race war rapture shit.

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[–] bouh 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're trying to read too much into this.

When the state doesn't work for enough people anymore, it collapses into fascism. It always does. Unless it collapses to foreign forces of course.

Accelerationism at this point is merely an argument for liberals to convince people who are not fascists to support their liberalism as a lesser danger.

It won't work. Liberalism will have to do something, not the people who don't believe the bullshit anymore. And interestingly, throughout history, liberals always choose fascism over anything else that would remove them some power.

So don't pretend it's up to the leftists to choose. You, the liberals, did this to the world. Time to open your eyes.

Liberalism is responsible for this fascist doom, not the left. That's not only true for the US. That's also true for all of Europe. Liberals vanquished the left. Now is the time to fight fascism. That's what you earned. The left will fight. Will the liberals do it?

[–] TotallynotJessica 16 points 7 months ago (28 children)

Accelerationism at this point is merely an argument for liberals to convince people who are not fascists to support their liberalism as a lesser danger.

You make me mad. You make me mad because you've deluded yourself into believing fatalistic death cult BS, willing to drag other people down with you. Liberals might be deluded and wrong, but you're honestly worse. Liberals are more open minded than you, more hopeful than you, and believe in building a popular coalition. I don't care if you recognize capitalism is bad, you're not helping anyone do anything about it.

"Eat shit and die" is what I'm hearing from your empty justifications for inaction. I've barely started living my life, and you're saying "it just needs to end. Sorry. Nothing to be done." I like my life, unlike you apparently, so I'm going to reject your ideas emphatically.

Fuck your opinion. Just like fascist dribble, it deserves no respect.

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