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Version 0.19.X Deployment (self.lemmyworld)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by lwadmin to c/lemmyworld

Version 0.19.X Deployment

Hello world!

I'm sure many of you fine folks have been wondering why we have not upgraded to version 0.19.X yet.

The whole team here has been getting asked this question quite a bit, from both members of the community and other instance admins. We want everyone to know, YES, we will upgrade to version 0.19.

We do not have a hard date set for when we will be upgrading as of yet, as we have about 7 associated task items that go along with this upgrade for things we need to double-check and confirm there will be no breakage.

Another big reason why we have not upgraded is due to reports from other instance admins that the front-end GUI can have performance issues. While a large portion of folks access our site using apps on their phones, we would rather not degrade the user experience for the rest of everyone else.

Worst case in terms of UI slowness, we would ask everyone to use either Alexandrite () or Photon () to mitigate the potential performance issues.

One final point to mention to address the delay is that we usually wait 1-2 weeks after a new release before applying it to production. This was complicated by the fact that there were multiple releases right after each other, with each new release having issues we hoped would be patched in the NEXT version. A new version would come up, and we would have to evaluate the stability and performance of it, which would take about 2 weeks, and then ANOTHER version would come out, which we would need to test. This was further complicated by the fact this was during the holiday season.

Version Release Date
0.19.0 2023-12-15
0.19.1 2023-12-20
0.19.2 2024-01-10
0.19.3 2024-01-24

For us, stability is paramount, as we care very much about keeping everyone happy here.

While we can appreciate the rapid release of patches on 0.19, I hope everyone can now understand the delay. If all goes well, we will set a release day in the next week or two, most likely on a Saturday around 1800 UTC.

-jelloeater85

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[-] [email protected] 195 points 1 month ago

I just love how professional the Lemmy instances have become. They went from having stability issues to being extremely stable. I love our Lemmy community.

Keep up the good work!

[-] woelkchen 41 points 1 month ago

I just love how professional the Lemmy instances have become.

Too bad upstream Lemmy development didn't adapt. The early 0.19 releases left several big instances hanging with severe bugs leaving them practically unusable.

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[-] dumpsterlid 103 points 1 month ago

Thank you for all your hard work!

[-] Krafting 87 points 1 month ago

Thanks for all this info, I knew running the largest Lemmy instance would be challenging in term of version upgrade, and I'm happy you keep us posted on all your plans! Keep up the good work!

[-] BackOnMyBS 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, I think the transparency and inclusivity of this instance serves as a model. I love knowing that places like this can exist.

[-] Rooki 29 points 1 month ago
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[-] grue 75 points 1 month ago
[-] Rooki 21 points 1 month ago

Literally what we as admins feel like.

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[-] 65gmexl3 15 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Speaking as someone who is on an instance (lemmy.today) that ran into a bunch of breakage from the 0.19.X releases, and which still isn't fully resolved, and where the instance admin said that he wished that he could downgrade to 0.18.X but couldn't due to schema changes, I strongly endorse a conservative approach. The releases have not really met the bar that one might want for stability.

That's especially true for lemmy.world, since it hosts a large chunk of the Fediverse communities, and if it has serious problems, there are gonna be spillover effects even on users elsewhere. I'd wait until less-critical instances have been the guinea pig for a bit on releases.

[-] maness300 14 points 1 month ago

Seriously. Less is more.

There's no need to keep up with the meme of releasing updates as quickly as possible.

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[-] deafboy 48 points 1 month ago

I've talked a lot of shit about the whole fediverse before, but I appreciate your stance towards stability. It's what users crave! Thank you!

[-] tpihkal 16 points 1 month ago

Leave the Gatorade for the plants...

[-] WhiteOakBayou 47 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to instance blocking!

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

Good luck with the update! One great thing about 0.19 is that it allows users to check federation status between instances, will be awesome to get that for lemmy.world as well.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

And one thing bad is that logged in users are logged out and can't log back in, getting errors when loggin in or worse, the site showing them a server error and they think the site is down! All fixed by clearing cookies. Or in apps, logging out then back in.

It looks like 0.19.3 may have a fix for this, which is great. IMO it's good that the largest lemmy instance hasn't updated to 0.19 yet, because a bunch of users may have disappeared thinking the site was dead. And you'd never know, because 0.19 counts active users in a different way.

Hopefully this is the one, though!

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[-] AlmightySnoo 32 points 1 month ago

Slow and steady wins the race

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[-] Desistance 30 points 1 month ago

No need to rush it if the software is in heavy churn. Just pick a date when the dust settles.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Just so you know, there are some major security issues on 0.18. That’s why programming.dev immediately updated. The later bugs on 0.19 we were easily able to work around, while the security issues are major and should be resolved as soon as you can, as it affects every user.

[-] Rooki 20 points 1 month ago

We already patched it. No worries, we got already a tip for weeks. Sad that it got through the tests of the lemmy devs. Such issues should never go live.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Hey just FYI, I've been experiencing a postgres memory leak issue on my instance since the upgrade to 0.19.2. Theres a GitHub issue open about it (#4406), not sure if it's something that will affect you but probably worth keeping in mind

[-] Rooki 13 points 1 month ago

Hi,

thanks for the tip, we will look into this issue and check if it affects anything on our scale.

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[-] 1luv8008135 20 points 1 month ago

Thank you for looking out for us mobile/desktop web browser peasants. ❤️

[-] QaspR 19 points 1 month ago

I for one am thankful for the admins' continued dedication to platform stability.

[-] m3t00 18 points 3 weeks ago

no rush. most don't notice minor changes. thanks

[-] AnAustralianPhotographer 16 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the update. I appreciate the transparency and honesty.

No pressure from me, I know all too well about upgrading to the newest version and finding out it has a showstopper bug for the features i was planning to use.

Thankyou for running the server and helping build the community and fediverse.

[-] DudeDudenson 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Hey ever since the update boost won't show my subscriptions and my post/comment history, I can only browse in all

Is this a known issue that I should bring up with the boost people?

Edit: I logged in to the wrong instance lol

[-] T156 9 points 4 weeks ago

Edit: I logged in to the wrong instance lol

That'll do it.

[-] SVcross 15 points 1 month ago

Thank you for your hard work. Much appreciated.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Lebowski.Social has also held back with the 0.19 upgrade. We are monitoring lemmy.world for now and will make our upgrade after that most likely.

[-] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the transparency. I'm firmly of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school. Upgrading to 0.19 is important for security, but until it is stable, it is also a risk.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

We do not have a hard date set for when we will be upgrading as of yet, as we have about 7 associated task items that go along with this upgrade for things we need to double-check and confirm there will be no breakage.

Are there tickets open for these tasks so we can see what you're waiting for? Genuinely wondering

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[-] aksdb 12 points 1 month ago

I for one am glad you take your time. I jumped ship from another instance that upgraded to 0.19 back in december and was almost unusable far into january. It's now on 0.19.3 and while federation seems to work again, it's still quite slow and unstable.

[-] PutangInaMo 12 points 3 weeks ago

0.19 breaks jerboa and idk if/ when that is getting updated

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[-] setsneedtofeed 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Neat. Good to see constant improvement.

Unrelated: What ever happened to the weekly LW community spotlight? It hasn’t been updated in like a month

[-] Thekingoflorda 10 points 1 month ago

The admin that organized that has left the team. I’m the new solo-lead for the community team, and will try to get that started again soon. Any suggestions for communities are more than welcome!

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[-] avguser 10 points 1 week ago

If all goes well, we will set a release day in the next week or two, most likely on a Saturday around 1800 UTC.

Any chance we get can get a status update?

[-] MWatson17 5 points 4 days ago

We're going on four weeks from the initial statement. The lack of status updates is what bothers me the most. I understand delays, but please let us know. It just looks like it's been forgotten about.

[-] avguser 6 points 4 days ago

@[email protected], we understand this is a volunteer effort, but as the community lead, would you be able to shed some light into the status of the upgrade? I don't think we are asking or pressuring for the upgrade to happen ASAP, just some transparency would be nice. We're two weeks past the proposed update, and almost a month beyond the last communication on the topic. Appreciate what you all do to provide the community for us, we ask because we care.

[-] jelloeater85 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

@[email protected] We are planning on trying to upgrade on 03-03-2024, we'll be announcing it formally in the next day or so.

[-] deweydecibel 2 points 3 days ago

Thank you for the update.

[-] Thekingoflorda 5 points 3 days ago

You tagged the wrong admin (am not part of the tech team), but I'll forward it to the other admins (:

[-] avguser 1 points 3 days ago
[-] HowRu68 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So ,if everything goes well the first update will be Saturday 10 februari around 18.00 UTC, and then every two weeks? Bonne Chance!

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