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[–] breadsmasher 131 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (42 children)

I am aware this is satire. But this line is a direct quote from so many people, with a completely straight dace

There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted

“But they could use a knife or a bat or a car!”

Without seeing the fact that having such free access to “tools” designed for the sole purpose of killing many people in as little time as possible.

Anyone against gun control is completely smooth brained. Anyone who complains about gun control, that the government shouldn’t control and regulate access, that they need multiple guns for “self defence” should not be allowed access to any gun.

Another common one is

“buh only criminals will have guns”,

except that never happens in any other developed nation.

Its for self defense

Sure. From other people with guns. And not a single shooting has been ~stopped~ prevented by “good guy with gun™️”.

/rant

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The second amendment is nominally there to allow people to form state militias in case the United States get invaded. With that in mind (and ignoring the many ways in which this kind of militia is completely irrelevant for defense purposes these days) we can come up with a reasonable compromise.

Anyone is allowed to own any gun they want. Access to ammunition is strictly regulated; only the state and shooting ranges are allowed to own ammo at all and the latter are under very strict supervision. Unlawful possession of ammunition is a felony.

In case the US Army is overrun each state will conscript all gun owners and issue them ammunition from the stockpile so they can go out and engage any enemy forces susceptible to infantry attack.

I'm sure all fans of the second amendment are going to love this plan. /s

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

That’s pretty much the setup that early colonists had, and it makes a lot of sense.

Ammo and muskets were kept in an armory, cuz it was dangerous to have powder laying around your candlelit home and muskets required frequent maintenance by skilled craftsmen.

Firearms were also somewhat collectively-owned, because they were primarily a means of collective defense.

Think about it: You’ve got the British in the ocean to the East, rival colonies to the North and South, indigenous tribes to the West, and the ever-present possibility of a mob of outlaws literally taking over your town.

It’s a very different world, and a very different relationship to weaponry.

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[–] SilverFlame 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In regards to your last point: I remember reading that there was one shooting stopped by a good guy with a gun. Then the cops showed up and killed him because he was armed.

[–] Kyrgizion 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You spelled "black" as armed. But otherwise right on the money.

[–] maryjayjay 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kyrgizion 4 points 10 months ago

My bad. I distinctly remember ANOTHER case were a good (black) guy with a gun was immediately executed by police as they arrived on the scene. I believe he might have been an armed security guard, but I don't have the mental strength to look it up in detail right now. I'd have to wade through dozens of such articles to find the right one and I'm already depressed enough.

[–] ManosTheHandsOfFate 3 points 10 months ago

Arvada, Colorado. The good guy killed the bad guy who had just killed a cop. The good guy was standing near the cop's body with a gun when more cops came in and killed the good guy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not entirely true. There was that guy in Colorado who drew his weapon, and took out an active shooter. Then the police rolled in, mistook him for the threat, and promptly killed him. Yay, armed society! /s

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hope the writer for this article makes residuals. They're getting a lot of use out of it

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They do actually rewrite it slightly each time they repost it, even though the title is the same

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They just change the date, city, number of victims, and then change the fake person's name for the quote. The rest stays exactly the same.

[–] Mr_Blott 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's how all news sites do it now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

But in this case it's part of the point of the repeating article that the article is nearly identical every time

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It would be darkly funny if they had an “____ Days Since We Had to Repost This” counter for it.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

"We did nothing and we are all out of options!"

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's the real American tragedy, that we've been beaten into believing that "nothing can be done to prevent this." Something COULD be done, it just won't be. I'm sure as we learn more about this reprehensible idiot who caused this sick misery, we'll come to find out there were all kinds of red flags on his social media posts and his emails and his past arrest records and yet nobody bothered to take them seriously, or cared enough about him to connect him with psychotherapy and medication. Sad. Because the truth is, this kind of thing is always ENTIRELY preventable - if only Americans were smarter about gun control and less obsessed with violence as some sort of solution (which it never is). A sad country indeed.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He was committed to a mental health facility for two weeks in the summer of 2023. He's talked about hearing voices. He's threatened to shoot up a National Guard station. He and his associates are well-known local right-wing militia gun nuts that "people knew to stay away from." None of that was sufficient to restrict his access to firearms.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If this is true, then I think it's safe to say that these shootings aren't being taken seriously by our government on purpose. I don't know what the purpose is, but it sure feels like it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses.

[–] NielsBohron 7 points 10 months ago

The best thing about Rage songs is that they're still relevant after 30 years.

The worst thing about Rage songs is that they're still relevant after 30 years.

[–] AngryCommieKender 4 points 10 months ago

Criminals On Patrol

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The GOP benefits from these attacks in my view, especially when they're in power. It makes it impossible for the news to cover the reprehensible things they do when mass murders happen every week.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you’re terrified of being shot you won’t mind having armed police everywhere.

[–] SpaceNoodle 24 points 10 months ago (5 children)

But that's why I'm terrified of being shot

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Ok, so I'm not crazy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't even really care about guns. I don't like them and wish there were far fewer of them, but if reducing the number and availability of guns is off the table, there's still plenty of room to work -- and if this political conversation had even one shred of honesty, we'd be working even with that constraint.

Even in gun policy, there's so much reform we could make to reduce danger that doesn't impact someone's ability to own a gun. For example, universal registration, repeal the Dickey amendment and fund research, impose strict liability to gun owners for crimes committed with their guns.

And most people seem to support red flag laws and universal background checks, but for some reason we can't expand those either?

Not to mention that it is a simple matter of fact that the US can and does ban all kinds of arms. And, aside from a tiny lunatic fringe, no one really thinks it is an issue. You can't just have and bring with you a fighter jet, a tank. You can't open carry explosive ordinance. You can't go to a gun show and buy chemical WMDs or bio-weapons. You can't drive around with a full machine gun mounted to the flatbed of your 3-ton pickup. We have rules that are uncontentious, and the idea that maybe some types of modern guns should be in the same category is fiddling with a line in the sand.

And guns are only a small part of the picture. We need poverty intervention and social welfare. We need consent-based policing and the better training that comes with it. We need to fix our urban design so people have better third places and are less isolated from one another. Yet if you try to do anything like this, the same people that fetishize guns will absolutely refuse to even think about it and will indeed try to roll back what does exist to make the problems worse.

At the end, it's a very two-sided debate. One side wants to test and try changes to make things maybe even just a bit better. The other refuses to do anything and would like for it to even be a bit worse.

[–] davysnavy 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"if only Americans were smarter" we can just leave it at that. This fucking country is full of idiots who will never do any good in this world because they're too stupid to even know where to start

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait, did it happen again?

[–] thesprongler 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

old news, there's been another in Samson County, NC today.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The US media should save time and report on days when mass shootings don't happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ad revenue would bottom-out from a dearth of clicks.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, yesterday unfortunately.

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[–] candybrie 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maine this time. So that feels a little new.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Well that's a huge problem in my view. You SHOULD care INCREDIBLY about the horrific proliferation of guns.

What scares me most today is that people have this blinder on that keeps them from being able to see guns as the atrocious, and utterly ugly death-dealing devices they truly are. Sure, people can inadvertently kill someone with a car by misusing it while high or not paying attention - people can use bats, chairs, cleavers, knives and other inanimate objects. But there's a huge difference. Those things aren't MADE to be lethal weapons. A gun however has only ONE purpose, to create a lethal wound to cause death. It IS MADE TO BE LETHAL WEAPON. PERIOD.

And that should terrify you - but for some reason (and this really is horrifying) it doesn't. And that really is horrific to contemplate. Guns are not just a small part of the picture. This culture of gun worship and loving the way guns kill and maim things - it's really the most perverse sort of filth imaginable, it should horrify the LIVING SHIT out of you and all decent people!! ALL DECENT PEOPLE!!

Yes some very mentally disturbed people do fetishize guns, which to me is like fetishizing child rape or necrophilia, only I'd rather have those two than people slobbering over a love of guns - because those two things are fixable. A fixation on guns seems to be only fixable by extreme measures such as shock treatment or incarceration of the individual for life.

We DO need to expand and support red flag laws. But even more so, we need to revolt against the corrupted filth pedalled by the NRA and its folllowers and show gun nuts for the crazy, sick, wanting to kill mentality, the horrid and debilitating illness, that it truly is. There are NO two sides to this debate. You DO NOT get to have it both ways -- LOVE GUNS and then be shocked when kids and people on the street get mowed down "just for fun."

Anyone who loves guns has no right to feel bad about these mass shootings!! The blood of all these kids is on THEIR hands forever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Comparing it to cars just makes it even more obvious. You need a license to drive one. If your eyesight is too bad, they won't let you drivr. Your doctor can advise against you driving for many reasons and your license gets revoked.

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[–] SlamWich 4 points 10 months ago

Since our general discourse has gotten so stupid: I did the math, and this was a Maine 9/11

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