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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No. Typically you only rent a plot in a graveyard for 10-30 years, and unless you or your heir(s) extend the lease, the graves will be dug up and used again. By that time most of the old casket and body have disintegrated to a pile of crumbling bones. Those will either be taken out and fully incinerated, or if the decay is progressed to a point where not much is left to begin with, a thin layer of soil covers the remnants and the new casket will simply be put on top.

It's also getting more and more "fashionable" to get incinerated right away, so that's really a non-issue.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There are places in the world with a standard practice of forever plots.

For example, I don't think it's common in NZ for plots to be a time period before disinterment.

[–] gdog05 18 points 1 year ago

New Zealanders have all that room after the elves left, so that makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does this apply to military cemeteries as well?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Why do we even have graveyards? Embalming chemicals leach out and poison water tables, carbon footprint is horrendous, land is wasted for superstitious nonsense. Just cremate and scatter the ashes.

https://slate.com/technology/2022/10/cemeteries-drinking-tap-water-pollution-aquifers-dead-bodies.html , among others.

[–] MIDItheKID 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I want to be cremated, and then have my ashes condensed into a diamond. I want that diamond to be embedded in the hilt of a sword. I want everybody in my family for generations to be put in the same sword and then in the distant future when the zombies arise, my great great great great grandchild can break the glass and weild the blade honing the power of generations of ancestors in their hand and start lobbing off heads.

[–] Rhynoplaz 15 points 1 year ago

Uhh... Is it too late to change my answer?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Well, at least you've got dreams

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or just bury people without embalming them first? As a non-American I find it super weird that it’s the norm in the US. Why would you still do that anyway?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the idea is so that the empty meat vessel looks tasty and fresh for the funeral.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It can look fresh enough without embalming if kept cool right? Maybe a little makeup?

[–] thlcn 6 points 1 year ago

Embalming? WTF?! I guess I should have watched Six feet under to learn something

[–] Estiar 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It has to do with Christianity. Many Christians believe that Christ will come back raising the dead and restoring their bodies

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I’m pretty sure most denominations of Christianity bury their dead without embalming them first and have done so for most of history.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know, but other than manmade laws, why?

As far as I know, it’s a US thing right? In the Netherlands embalming has been expressly prohibited up until 2009 I think. Granted, Dutch laws concerning what you can do with a dead body are pretty strict but embalming just seems weird to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Other than laws? Probably, to a degree, like an unfortunate number of things in the US, money. As of 2019, the death industry was >$20 Billion industry.

Over here in the US, we're stuck in a neoliberal hellscape where profit is more important than any human being and grief-stricken families are fair game for exploitation.

[–] IamtheMorgz 6 points 1 year ago

I actually don't think that is true. Caitlin Dougherty on YouTube has a video on it though. It's pushed by funeral directors because it's a big money maker for them.

[–] SlurpDaddySlushy 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah don't cremate. Bury the body with no box and no preservation. Get those nutrients right back into the soil as fast as possible.

[–] TurdMongler 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes please. This is how I want to be buried. Back to the earth asap.

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[–] squeezeyerbawdy 12 points 1 year ago

There are other methods becoming more widely available In the US too such as Aquamation (alkaline hydrolysis) which yields similar remains like ashes you can spread and human composting (https://recompose.life/) which don’t emit fossil fuel emissions.

Not for everyone, sure, but I wanted to be composted. I liked that I would become a cubic yard of nutrient rich soil in about 30 days and will be utilized for forest restoration.

The mushroom shroud that breaks you down is also super cool but was pretty out of my price range.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fucking bullshit that I can't have my relatives eat my corpse when I'm dead. Land of the free my (glazed and roasted) ass

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[–] HappycamperNZ 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im going to lean to no. The world is incredibly empty, and we are squishy and biodegradable.

Graveyards (well, cemeteries) aren't permanent - permanent compared to human lifetime, but not permanent.

[–] sheogorath 7 points 1 year ago

We're going to the way of Toraja people, do some voodoo magic to make the corpse walk to their grave and then after they decompose just store the skull in a cave nearby.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I highly recommend checking out the catacombs in Paris. It gives you a very clear understanding about what humans do to graveyards when they want the space. There are literally millions of skeletons just thrown down there. Some are stacked in interesting ways, like walls of femurs and piles of skulls. But the vast, vast majority are just heaped into big ass piles of random bones.

Personally, visiting them sold me on the idea of cremation. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time before your graveyard is getting dug up and they're throwing your remains in a pile with some randos.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah fuck randos. They smell.

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[–] electrogamerman 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes, one day the whole world is going to be a big graveyard.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, because most people are cremated these days, and over time bones deteriorate. Plus, we can always make new graveyards.

But the big thing is that old graveyards are often “relocated” — the marked graves are dug up and the contents stacked/put closer together with any gravestones or markers stuck closer together above ground.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

most people are cremated these days

Only in very few countries.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eventually even bones decay, unless fossilized, and fossilized bones are just, well, fancy rocks. So it's not like human remains stick around forever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's not even THAT long. 30-100 years, depending on the environment

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There was a panic here in Vancouver (known for it's out of control real estate market) this year and burial plots were going for like $90,000 IIRC.

Don't be too poor to die.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

rocks break. humans biodegrade. so no.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So my rock hard abs won't save me from Time?

[–] Burninator05 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your best bet is to challenge Death to a crunch-off and then win.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately Death is the crunch king. Dude is shredded.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

As many other have stated, grave spaces are often rented or leased. Then the remains are buried in an ossuary or given back to the family.

Quite a few western graveyards are semi-permanant. Only being dug up and moved if the space is to be reused for something else.

My city, for example, moved its early graveyard as the town expanded and now the area is a parking lot.

There is a cool fact as well with churches and graveyards that haven't moved. Generally the church building itself loses height because of the the bodies buried raises the ground levels by a few feet. This has been observed in the UK and America.

[–] Kengaro0 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We'll just go 12 feet under

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The Jewish Cemetery of Prague has up to a dozen layers because of the tight Jewish Quarter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if we fill every bit of earth with dead bodies, we still have other planets and the empty vacuum of space itself to put them. So no.

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