politics

What do you mean by walk across the floor?

I love how a hot take from someone who didn't even know Hakeem Jeffries is a Democrat has 100+ up votes. Lemmy is so ridiculously uneducated.

he guy the GOP was trying to put into the speakership until a day or two ago is an overt white supremacist

Bruh I'm gonna need you to be more specific.

MSNBC reported that a few house members wouldn’t vote for Scalise because of the white nationalist bit. So it isn’t totally ignored, but then again MSNBC would never miss an opportunity like that.

I also haven't seen much coverage of the fact that the other front runner for speaker, Jim Jordan, turned a blind eye to and likely helped cover up the sexual abuse of college athletes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/jordan-osu-wrestlers-strauss-invs/index.html

Goes to show what a problem Jim Jordan would be. I'd rather have the racist piece of shit

Liz Cheney was probably the last “traditional Republican” they had and they made an example of her. Kevin picked country over party and that led to his ousting. Who’s going to side with the Democrats now?

I get the cynicism but I could see an outcome where Democrats provide support to a moderate (or Jeffries with 5 Republicans) in exchange for passing a few things with broad support. And then the speaker resigns and Republicans go back to beclowning themselves.

Something like a deal to elect a speaker for enough time to pass aid to Ukraine and Israel and another continuing resolution to keep the government open beyond the 45 days. Something like that. Then back to where we are now.

Instead they gave power to nut-bags who have pretty much ensured their eventual, permanent demise.

Which is what we can hope for, and it would be quite OK if it happens.

The only danger of a destruction of the GOP would be that the Democrats would eventually stay in power too long for their own good. This is not something against the Democrats, it is just pointing out human nature. Power simply corrupts, each and every time.

So one of the things the Democrats should do if they have sufficient pull is to get the voting system in order. Drop FPTP. Drop the way the president is elected and replace it by a more realistic one, one that actually represents the population. Remove the stupid "two senators per state" rule and replace it by one that actually represents the country - in the senate, a citizen from a flyover state has way more influence than those from the states with higher populace.

The fun thing here is that the US already had fixed these problems decades ago. Just not in their own country. When the Federal Republic of Germany (i.e. West Germany) was founded, they implemented a bicameral system and voting methods based on the known problems of the US voting system (and others, but primarily the US). Now the German system has it's issues, too, but they are known, and a known problem usually can be fixed.

Maybe they should shut down the Republican party for a while to get their way.

Why would they compromise with a bunch of traitorous fascists?

Correct. Their extreme wing, the Chaos Caucus, has become too extreme even for them. Unfortunately for Republicans their majority in the House relies on the same bozos who are acting like an opposition party. So while Republicans have a technical majority they do not have a functional majority.

What's crazy is that since the Freedumb Caucus is in such opposition to the wider body of Republicans that they've handed the Democrats a functional majority on several issues, including the Speakership.

The pack of idiots led by Matt Gaetz cut off their own nose (McCarthy) in order to spite their face so now the Speaker situation can only end with a candidate that has enough Bi-Partisan support to overcome them and after that happens the House is going to advance legislation that's far more liberal than anything that would have been done under McCarthy.

Edit: It has begun.

Well there's Nebraska's 2nd representative, and famous coward Don Bacon. Let it be known that when the time calls for a man to stand up for what's right, Don Bacon will bravely turn tail and run back to whatever teet is drip feeding him table scraps.

Yup. Famous coward Don Bacon, ready to let you down.

I'm sorry what was the question?

Don Bacon is a coward

They are ALL FOR big government. I don’t know where you are seeing them wanting the government shut down. They just don’t want a government that supports freedom for its citizens, but they’re all about ensuring governmental control.

We need more viable parties.

Well, the only way to get there is to fix the US voting and representation systems. FPTP has to go, and all important points in the US legislative need to have proper, democratic representation instead of this "Two Senators per state, regardless how many they represent". And while they are at it, make Gerrymandering impossible by removing the power to redrad the district maps at will. You will need an algorithmically method to draw district maps without any influence from race or political affiliation, simply based on the address of a person.

That will be a chance to stop the reduction of numbers of parties, as they suddenly get a voice for their concerns even when they "only" have e.g. 20% or just 5% of the voters. And this will also teach the parties the need to work together in a reliable way. Coalitions and stuff.

Look how other countries do it, learn what is good and what is bad with their voting systems, and implement the best solution that is acceptable.

That’s not how we’d get more parties with our voting system. If the GOP fractured because of this then there might be chaos for brief period of time, but sooner than later everything would get settled back to two parties. Our system is set up so that it just plain suboptimal to do otherwise.